Is anyone else just kind of sick and tired of seeing crap like this?

[CaptainCourtesy]

First off, there isn't a single "assault" mentioned anywhere in that article. It just a list of some random guys being vaguely creepy and or rude. Her melodramatics over it are "overblown" for that exact reason.

Secondly, see my response to Brewdog.

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He strikes me as being something of a spastically indecisive "bandwagon-hopping" weakling, yes.

He's been annoying me for some time.

Your OP says more about YOU than about her. Just figured you should know that.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Why can't you just speak clearly?



Who am I giving the order to talk?

If we as a collective give the order or instruction that those who are victims of assault which is to say that the sex did not happen under the correct application of the governments rules of consent are to come forwards and put in complaints against the men that took part then it may or it may not happen. A lot of the time it is not in these womans best interest to say anything, and also in a lot of cases they dont want the level of harm that the government will insist upon to come to these men who they know and sometimes love.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

At a certain point, however, you've just got to learn to abide and move on with your life. Constant whining isn't helping anyone.

Agreed.

 

[countryboy]

Sure. No woman has ever been molested/assaulted/raped. They are all liars.

Um, no. They're only liars if they accuse Bill Clinton. If they accuse Donald Trump, they are absolute truth tellers. Lol.

 

[joG]

Yes they are off limits unless I know them very well and the matter was discussed beforehand. I never put my peter into strange especially the stoned or drunk kind, that's asking for trouble one doesn't need. This was before my other half came on scene and I became a one woman man.

Then we need a drug test kit to take along, whenever we might be tempted.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Yeah... Which is kind of my whole thing with Trump's comments.

Is Trump probably a bit handsy and aggressive in his sexual style? I wouldn't doubt it. He seems like the type.

That being said, however, I kind of doubt that he just randomly goes around kissing or grabbing women by the junk either. If he did that at all, it was probably in the context of flirtation, where he thought a girl was giving him signs to "make a move."

That's really sort of a grey area, because (to reasonable people, at least) it only becomes "assault" if the woman A) doesn't like it, and B) he doesn't stop even after she makes that clear.

Pretty much every guy I know who actually manages to get laid at clubs uses those kinds of tactics. Meanwhile, my never feeling comfortable with them is a large part of the reason why I don't ever get lucky there.

That's what happens when you let moms teach young men how to pick up women.
They're thinking like moms, not young women.

I had the same problem.

 

[Gathomas88]

That's what happens when you let moms teach young men how to pick up women.
They're thinking like moms, not young women.

I had the same problem.

Well, to be fair, I don't think drunken hook-ups with club girls are really anything all that great to aspire to in the first place, so I don't count it as being any big loss.

However, yeah. You're absolutely right. There is a strong disconnect between what the popular narrative says women are supposed to want, and how actual young women behave in reality. Any guy who doesn't realize that and adjust accordingly is pretty much S.O.L.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Well, to be fair, I don't think drunken hook-ups with club girls are really anything all that great to aspire to in the first place, so I don't count it as being any big loss.

However, yeah. You're absolutely right. There is a strong disconnect between what the popular narrative says women are supposed to want, and how actual young women behave in reality. Any guy who doesn't realize that is pretty much S.O.L.

I have some really embarrassing and now comedic stories, in line with the girl from your OP.
I'm not sure if I'm ready to reveal those right now.

When I was in high school, I had my girlfriend break up with me, because I was taught never to touch without permission and I didn't.
She thought I didn't like her, which wasn't true.
It happened a couple more times as well, for the same reasons.

Old Southern moral upbringing, combined with quasi feminist mother.
A good way to stay alone if you don't learn the real rules.

 

[Henrin]

Your OP says more about YOU than about her. Just figured you should know that.

I'm pretty sure Gath doesn't care what you think. Just figured you should know that.

 

[William Rea]

Your OP says more about YOU than about her. Just figured you should know that.

These threads turn up when Trump starts hitting the news with his sociopath behaviour? I never would have figured that the apologists would have done this.

 

[Absentglare]

She's apparently devoted herself to writing preachy blog posts about these trivial experiences just to drum up sympathy from strangers on the internet. I think that more than speaks for itself. :roll:

Again, where is the (to use a military term) "So What Factor" here? Why do I need to known about these things? Why does it need to be "put on blast" all over social media?

What is this supposed to accomplish?

There's a lot of media on the internet that lacks a "So What Factor": a good example would be whining about other people writing articles that you don't find interesting.

 

[CLAX1911]

Hey Eleanor! - It's Not Okay.

It's Not Okay.

Some Lefty Facebook "friend" I vaguely remember going to school with a decade or so ago (lapsed Ron Paul 'Legalize it!' Libertarian, turned short, obese, and ugly foaming-at-the-mouth Bern... err... Hillary-loving SJW just in time for the 2016 election - Oh joy! :roll: ) posted a link to this article a moment or so ago. It's basically a long, melodramatic, hyper-preachy, retelling of every single "creepy guy hits on me" experience some 20-something blonde female has ever experienced.

I'm sorry... But, "so what?"

It seems like this has become some big thing for the Left to harp on (especially in the wake of this whole Trump fiasco). I really just fail to see the point of spamming the internet with these kinds of stories.

What is it supposed to accomplish, exactly?

To inform me that creepy assholes exist? Yeah. I'm well aware. I've run afoul of more than a few myself - though, obviously, not in quite the same context.

To tell me that I'm somehow to blame for all of this, or to bring me to guilt? Yeeeaaah... Sorry, but I'm not, and I will not. I've never behaved like any of those men in my life, nor do I have any intention of doing so now.

To tell me that I'm supposed to make the creepy assholes of the world go away... Somehow? Ummm... How, pray tell?

As far as I can tell, this is basically just the female equivalent of the "'Nice Guy' ranting."

i.e. "This one girl was a total bitch to me once! They're all evil!"

Yup. Some people suck. And yup. Some of the ways people find it socially acceptable to behave suck.

At a certain point, however, you've just got to learn to abide and move on with your life. Constant whining isn't helping anyone.

Frankly - particularly with regard to the girl under discussion here - I think that's actually giving these kinds of articles too much credit. The vast majority of the stuff these women describe (one of the men mentioned in the article was later arrested as a freaking rapist, for God's sakes) would never be viewed as being "socially acceptable" by anyone of half-way decent breeding to begin with. They are the exclusive purview of people pretty much everyone already agrees are creeps, weirdos, and belligerent meat-heads.

All this kind of bash-me-over-the-head moralistic storytelling really accomplishes is to "preach to the choir," and give certain kinds of politically motivated men an excuse to "virtue signal" by "me too" reposting it on social media. The whole thing's just a joke.

Anyway... That's my rant for the evening. :lol:

Really this whole cat calling thing isn't an issue. I've heard about it a lot. This is what happens when feminism outlivws its usefulness yet wishes to remain culturally relevant

 

[Hawkeye10]

Really this whole cat calling thing isn't an issue. I've heard about it a lot. This is what happens when feminism outlivws its usefulness yet wishes to remain culturally relevant

THis is what happens when their unrelenting need for more victims to feed their works runs into an environment that has already been largely denuded good candidates.

Its time to get inventive and scare up some victims.

 

[CLAX1911]

THis is what happens when their unrelenting need for more victims to feed their works runs into an environment that has already been largely denuded good candidates.

Its time to get inventive and scare up some victims.

Manufacture of victims, how silly

 

[Gathomas88]

There's a lot of media on the internet that lacks a "So What Factor": a good example would be whining about other people writing articles that you don't find interesting.

Except that this is a clearly meant to be an agenda-driven piece, aimed towards "making a statement," and calling for some kind of action in response. :roll:

It basically fails on all counts, as the only thing it actually manages to communicate are a bunch of vague pop-feminist platitudes regarding supposed "issues" that are largely irrelevant, with a couple of snide anti-Trump remarks snuck in.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Manufacture of victims, how silly

Ya, for instance things have gotten so desperate that today I read that now guys wanting to win is to be considered toxic masculinity:

Merely telling boys to not assault women, or not to be like Trump, Orenstein explains, isn’t enough. She writes:

It does little to address the complexity of boys’ lives, the presumption of their always-down-for-it sexuality, the threat of being called a “*****” if you won’t grab one, the collusion that comes with keeping quiet. Boys need continuing, serious guidance about sexual ethics, reciprocity, respect. Rather than silence or swagger, they need models of masculinity that are not grounded in domination or aggression.

It would be easy, and certainly convenient, to blame the stereotypical disenfranchised white male Trump supporter for being the sole emissaries of this macho winner/loser mentality—the one that boys eventually extend to their sex lives. But in fact, this definition of masculinity is one many of us are guilty of perpetuating. .

Trump has helped me realize just how precarious it is to raise boys.

Any woman who faces a man who wants to win is now supposed to come to the conclusion that they have been victimized.

Just cut to the chase, let the woman win, we are told.

Men, stand down, dont fight for yourself.

Be a "good" man.

Be a loser.

 

[Gathomas88]

Ya, for instance things have gotten so desperate that today I read that now guys wanting to win is to be considered toxic masculinity:


Trump has helped me realize just how precarious it is to raise boys.

Any woman who faces a man who wants to win is now supposed to come to the conclusion that they have been victimized.

Just cut to the chase, let the woman win, we are told.

Or how some Lefty universities are actually running courses specifically aimed at "de-programming" male students of "toxic masculinity."

Duke Offers Men a "Safe Space" to Contemplate Their "Toxic Masculinity"

Can you say "re-education camp?" :roll:

 

[ARealConservative]

my wife owns a business and has her cell phone on her website.

the amount of disgusting crap she is sent is appalling.

I have zero problem with that article, and it still needs to be talked about because a problem does exist.

I have two daughters entering their teen years, and I am very concerned with how men act. I feel like manners have gotten very bad in the last decade

 

[Hawkeye10]

Or how some Lefty universities are actually running courses specifically aimed at "de-programming" male students of "toxic masculinity."

Duke Offers Men a "Safe Space" to Contemplate Their "Toxic Masculinity"

Can you say "re-education camp?" :roll:

Yes, and we know of course about the high powered promotion of snitch culture.

These minders clearly got ahold of the STASI Field Manuals.

Decided that this control regime works.

AMERICA @ 2016:

:sinking:

 

[ARealConservative]

this thread is a good time to point out the utter hypocrisy on our election process.

the husband of a candidate is known to be just such a slimeball.

ignore the rape accusations for a moment - the most powerful man in the country took advantage of his power and prestige and preyed on a younger women who was just a few short years removed from being a child herself. In the corporate world a boss doing that to an employee would be cause for termination and a rather large lawsuit. This time he is heading back to the white house to once again be a horrible example for young people.

and the media? crickets

 

[chromium]

Or how some Lefty universities are actually running courses specifically aimed at "de-programming" male students of "toxic masculinity."

Duke Offers Men a "Safe Space" to Contemplate Their "Toxic Masculinity"

Can you say "re-education camp?" :roll:

You'll never get into any of these schools, so my advice is don't worry about it, it's none of your business

 

[Gathomas88]

I feel like manners have gotten very bad in the last decade

Well... Yeah. But don't make the mistake of thinking that anything in this article - or others like it - is actually aimed at correcting that state of affairs. To the contrary, even the most perpetually whiny and offended of ideological feminists these days tends to think that the "Sodom and Gomorrah"/"anything goes" hard-drinking and hard-partying meat-market culture of crass casual sex and debauchery which exists among the youth of today is just fine and dandy. They encourage it, and promote the whole thing as being "liberating," in point of fact.

They just don't see any reason why men should get to be co-equal participants in the endeavor. They think we can't be trusted, so they basically want a sexual marketplace where women hold all of the power, the state enforces their mandate on a de facto basis through disproportionately anti-male legislation, and men just kind of hang around like a bunch of doe-eyed meek little wallflowers, patiently waiting for some woman to come along and graciously honor them with her vagina.

Except... Of course, that not even the most man-hating of feminists would ever actually find such an intrinsically emasculated and powerless breed of man sexually appealing, so what we wind up with instead is a paradoxical and wildly self-contradictory world of "do as I say, not as I do."

Men are still aggressive in trying to procure sexual trysts regardless of what popular ideology has to say on the matter (because it freaking works), and women still overwhelmingly tend to favor more sexually aggressive men when choosing partners for such trysts in the first place (because they instinctively like it). That inevitably results in a self-reinforcing loop of behavior which occasionally leads to misunderstandings, particularly when drugs, alcohol, and generalized immaturity and inexperience are tossed into the mix.

Meanwhile, the rest of us are just kind of hanging here in limbo, trying to make heads or tails of this gigantic cluster-****.

i.e. "Okay... I'm supposed to be aggressive, but not TOO aggressive... Unless she's into it... But even that's bad, because believing in such things is apparently 'rape culture,' and 'toxic masculinity'..."

And blah, blah, blah, etca, etca, etca...

In short, **** this whole thing. Lol

:roll:

 

[Hawkeye10]

Well... Yeah. But don't make the mistake of thinking that anything in this article - or others like it - is actually aimed at correcting that state of affairs. To the contrary, even the most perpetually whiny and offended of ideological feminists these days tends to think that the "Sodom and Gomorrah"/"anything goes" hard-drinking and hard-partying meat-market culture of crass casual sex and debauchery which exists among the youth of today is just fine and dandy. They encourage it, and promote the whole thing as being "liberating," in point of fact.

They just don't see any reason why men should get to be co-equal participants in the endeavor. They think we can't be trusted, so they basically want a sexual marketplace where women hold all of the power, the state enforces their mandate on a de facto basis through disproportionately anti-male legislation, and men just kind of hang around like a bunch of doe-eyed meek little wallflowers, patiently waiting for some woman to come along and graciously honor them with her vagina.
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Point of information: For just this reason, as well as a couple others, the pros at running sex parties have through trial and error figured out that the correct number of men to have at the party is 37/100.

Just thought you might want to know.

impdaddy:

 

[Absentglare]

Except that this is a clearly meant to be an agenda-driven piece, aimed towards "making a statement," and calling for some kind of action in response. :roll:

It basically fails on all counts, as the only thing it actually manages to communicate are a bunch of vague pop-feminist platitudes regarding supposed "issues" that are largely irrelevant, with a couple of snide anti-Trump remarks snuck in.

Whatever agenda there might be is irrelevant.

If you don't want to try to appreciate what it's like to be in that writer's shoes, you're free to skip over whatever they write.

I think we do have cultural phenomenon where men are often encouraged to go out of their way to pursue women. Some men are far too intrusive, and some women seem to be on the receiving end quite a bit. I think their privacy, their experiences, and their impressions have value. Now, it seems that you disagree.

 

[Brewdog]

Old Southern moral upbringing, combined with quasi feminist mother.
A good way to stay alone if you don't learn the real rules.

You're on point here. So what we have is a hookup culture that rewards aggressive alpha males, yet a real risk of being accused of assault if you're aggressive.

This article from today is nuts. Look at what a MASSIVE jackass jerk sleezeball this guy is in his texts, and it works. It also helps that he's fit and handsome, and I think that's why he's getting away with it to some extent. But being a gentleman doesn't bring in the ladies. Unless perhaps you're at church, and I stopped going when I found out they were never going to have beer.

Gable Tostee wanted to do 'dirty things' to Warriena Wright during their Tinder texts | Daily Mail Online

He bragged about 260 conquests before this. One of the online papers had posted some his other Tindr conversations, but I can't find the article. And most of those were even more aggressively sexual than these.