I realize military personnel are willing to die for their country, but this question applies to abstract ideas excluding national duty. So do you think that there are any beliefs worth dying for?
The reason I ask this question is because I recall in school learning revolutionary quotes like "give me liberty or give me death." The concept is introduced and taught to while very young. I once accepted the willingness to die for a cause as noble, but now, I can think of instances where people have died for a cause that is unfathomable.
The two biggest examples I can think of is Ava Braun and others in Hitler's bunker and the Jonestown Massacre. In both cases, the people thought their actions were heroic and saw themselves as martyrs. Ava was convinced she would be remembered as an important figure and national hero one day. She took measures before he death to ensure all the videos she made of Hitler at the berghof were put together for a Hollywood movie. The Goebbel's killed their children and themselves because they couldn't bear their children growing up without national socialism. That is serious dedication.
Jim Jones told his flock that they were "born out of their time." He preached the world would change and they would go down in history for their "revolutionary deaths" because it was a just cause... "we are killing ourselves in protest of an inhumane world," he was recorded as saying.
These situations have caused me question if any abstract idea is worth dying for or if any idea is worth pledging your life to.
I realize military personnel are willing to die for their country, but this question applies to abstract ideas excluding national duty. So do you think that there are any beliefs worth dying for?
The reason I ask this question is because I recall in school learning revolutionary quotes like "give me liberty or give me death." The concept is introduced and taught to while very young. I once accepted the willingness to die for a cause as noble, but now, I can think of instances where people have died for a cause that is unfathomable.
The two biggest examples I can think of is Ava Braun and others in Hitler's bunker and the Jonestown Massacre. In both cases, the people thought their actions were heroic and saw themselves as martyrs. Ava was convinced she would be remembered as an important figure and national hero one day. She took measures before he death to ensure all the videos she made of Hitler at the berghof were put together for a Hollywood movie. The Goebbel's killed their children and themselves because they couldn't bear their children growing up without national socialism. That is serious dedication.
Jim Jones told his flock that they were "born out of their time." He preached the world would change and they would go down in history for their "revolutionary deaths" because it was a just cause... "we are killing ourselves in protest of an inhumane world," he was recorded as saying.
These situations have caused me question if any abstract idea is worth dying for or if any idea is worth pledging your life to.
I realize military personnel are willing to die for their country, but this question applies to abstract ideas excluding national duty. So do you think that there are any beliefs worth dying for?
The reason I ask this question is because I recall in school learning revolutionary quotes like "give me liberty or give me death." The concept is introduced and taught to while very young. I once accepted the willingness to die for a cause as noble, but now, I can think of instances where people have died for a cause that is unfathomable.
The two biggest examples I can think of is Ava Braun and others in Hitler's bunker and the Jonestown Massacre. In both cases, the people thought their actions were heroic and saw themselves as martyrs. Ava was convinced she would be remembered as an important figure and national hero one day. She took measures before he death to ensure all the videos she made of Hitler at the berghof were put together for a Hollywood movie. The Goebbel's killed their children and themselves because they couldn't bear their children growing up without national socialism. That is serious dedication.
Jim Jones told his flock that they were "born out of their time." He preached the world would change and they would go down in history for their "revolutionary deaths" because it was a just cause... "we are killing ourselves in protest of an inhumane world," he was recorded as saying.
These situations have caused me question if any abstract idea is worth dying for or if any idea is worth pledging your life to.
I know of Christians who refused to recant their faith even faced with prison, torture and/or death. I think that is worth dying for but I have to be real that I am not at all sure that I would have the courage.
Nobody ever is until they've actually been there.
1. There are a lot of ideals that I'd like to believe I'm willing to die for.
2. I'm willing to die for my freedom and the freedom of my loved ones.
3. I'm willing to die for my country, if my country is actually in danger.
4. I'm willing to die for my faith.
5. I'm willing to die if it means advancing humanity's evolution.
No.
You don't die for a belief. You test the belief dispassionately and see if it holds up to scientific scrutiny. If it doesn't, you discard it. If it does, you believe it, but you don't insist that others believe it. Facts don't care whether you believe them or not, they are what they are. Beliefs based on wishful thinking ar not worth even thinking about. Prove them, or discard them.
It certainly holds up to "scientific scrutiny" and is a well established "fact" that I would be a LOT better off financially if I could own you and your family as my slaves and benefit off the fruit of your labor.
You aren't "free" because there isn't a legitimate economic reason for slavery.
You're free because people "believe" that everyone deserves to be free.
So those "believers" fought and died for their "belief" in your freedom.
No. They died because they were drafted and killed by a bullet.
"In some cities, particularly New York City, enforcement of the act sparked civil unrest as the war dragged on, leading to the New York Draft Riots on July 13–16.
I was referring more to slavery in the West in general but if you just want to choose one corner of the world as an example I'm fine with that.
Prove your argument that a veritable handful of malcontents are representative of the entirety of the Union population, including the military, as a whole.
Once you have draft, it's impossible to claim that a soldier died for his country. He died fighting the other guys and lost. That's it.
All that stuff about dying for his country is a feel-good stuff for his parents, school children and Hollywood.
I realize military personnel are willing to die for their country, but this question applies to abstract ideas excluding national duty. So do you think that there are any beliefs worth dying for?
The reason I ask this question is because I recall in school learning revolutionary quotes like "give me liberty or give me death." The concept is introduced and taught to while very young. I once accepted the willingness to die for a cause as noble, but now, I can think of instances where people have died for a cause that is unfathomable.
The two biggest examples I can think of is Ava Braun and others in Hitler's bunker and the Jonestown Massacre. In both cases, the people thought their actions were heroic and saw themselves as martyrs. Ava was convinced she would be remembered as an important figure and national hero one day. She took measures before he death to ensure all the videos she made of Hitler at the berghof were put together for a Hollywood movie. The Goebbel's killed their children and themselves because they couldn't bear their children growing up without national socialism. That is serious dedication.
Jim Jones told his flock that they were "born out of their time." He preached the world would change and they would go down in history for their "revolutionary deaths" because it was a just cause... "we are killing ourselves in protest of an inhumane world," he was recorded as saying.
These situations have caused me question if any abstract idea is worth dying for or if any idea is worth pledging your life to.
No.
You don't die for a belief. You test the belief dispassionately and see if it holds up to scientific scrutiny. If it doesn't, you discard it. If it does, you believe it, but you don't insist that others believe it. Facts don't care whether you believe them or not, they are what they are. Beliefs based on wishful thinking ar not worth even thinking about. Prove them, or discard them.
I'm willing to die if it means advancing humanity's evolution.
Interesting thought. Could you elaborate on that?
Fair enough.
So we'll leave out the roughly 3% to 5.5% of Union service members who were drafted over the entire course of the Civil War.
You will have to concede, of course, that of the remaining 90+ percent a large majority must actually have believed in the cause they were fighting for.
We're on the verge of several fascinating transhuman technologies. I would fight and die for your right to apply those technologies to yourself and your children.
Flawed thinking. Not all beliefs pertain to facts. Not all beliefs are scientific and not all beliefs are capable of being proven.
Interesting thought. Could you elaborate on that?
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