“Abortion, actually, is a picnic compared to childbirth, as I've mentioned numerous times before.
It's nothing. It's certainly far less 'gross' than any other surgical procedure (or many non-surgical ones) I can name.”
It's not a picnic for many doctors and nurses who have to do the killing. Most suffer themselves with emotional guilt. Abortion is killing that which is in the womb. Picnic? Only to people whose hearts are so hardened that nothing seems to bother them.
We are talking about dismembering a living human being. It is dismembered until it no longer is alive and the heart has been stopped.
“I would think rather that it is the fault of moralistic voyeurs; the same ones who can't get their noses out of other people's bedrooms also can't seem to get their noses out of gynocologists' offices, or any other place where a woman's genitals might be exposed for some intimate and private purpose, whether to her sexual partner or to her doctor.
If abortion offends you, then quit watching it.”
Pictures do not show female genitalia. They only show the results of the killing. Pictures expose what is going on... the same way that Holocaust pictures show the horrors of what happened there. Should we also stop looking at those pictures because people can't take it?
“And in answer to the O.P., the typical, standard abortion (a first-trimester D&C) is about twelve times safer than an uncomplicated pregnancy, labor, and delivery.
Late term abortion is about four times safer.”
Where did you get those stats?
Abortion has never been safe. Hop over to the thread I just started, "Is Abortion Safe". Statistics and charts that give the numbers of deaths and injuries are nothing but lies because there is a massive cover-up in this country concerning abortion and how it is reported and monitored. The government, the medical community and the media do not want this information out for obvious political reasons. Is abortion safe? Ask the hundreds and thousands of woman that did not make it or that were injured as the result of an abortion gone wrong, by a so-called qualified doctor.
“Because it's a choice we made together that if we were ever in that situation, other than fetal deformity or my wife's life, we'd opt not to have an abortion. It's called choice, it's a wonderful thing.
In fact, my youngest daughter wasn't planned, she just happened and we had her. Why is it such a problem for you that people are able to decide for themselves what they want?”
Choice is a wonderful thing, especially if you can make that choice yourself. Can the unborn decide if he wants his mother to kill him? The woman when she decides to terminate her pregnancy also makes a choice for her unborn. She takes his/her life away. She takes away forever this humans right to choose.
“You have shame over slavery? Why? Are you somehow responsible for it? Did you keep slaves in a former life or something? How can you feel shame for something that has nothing whatsoever to do with you?”
You don’t have to be responsible for something to feel shame. Do parents feel shame when their children do things that are wrong?
“Then don't. Just don't think you have any ability to tell other people what to do. Get over yourself.”
And you don’t tell other people what to do in your life? Parents tell their children what to do, employeers tell their workers what to do, the government tells us what to do…….come on.
“No it's not, it's called DEALING WITH REALITY. Maybe you should give it a shot sometime. The simple fact is that humans aren't all that nice, you need to accept it and move on. Your problem is that you invent this bullshit morality, think the whole world needs to fall over and follow it, and you try to hold everyone responsible to it.
It's no wonder the religious are so screwed up.”
How arrogant of you. Bullshit morality? Ok why are you personally opposed to abortion? You obviously think that both Talloulou and myself only believe abortion is wrong because we are religious fanatics………….SO answer the question that was asked of you. WHY ARE YOU PERSONALLY OPPOSED TO ABORTION?
Honey people don’t need to even bring religion into this to know that abortion is wrong. Take off your blinders. Why don’t doctors advertise that they do abortions? Why don’t people talk about it in the open? If you think that the whole of society believes abortion is NOT KILLING A HUMAN BEING, your sadly mistaken. People know exactly what abortion does.
“My poor first husband puked all over the delivery room just from watching our eldest son's natural delivery. And then after that, so did I.”
Poor? Lmao. What is so gross about life, about a new human being coming into the world? I won't even say it.
Rivrrat………said, “It's legal, ergo... not murder.”
Ok I’ll rephrase the question……Do you believe a woman has the right to KILL, DISMEMBER the life inside her? Does she have the right to kill anytime she wants?
“We've been over this before. Has to do with the fetus actually having a fully functioning and connect brain/nervous system. At that point, it has the capacity for thought. Unlike what people like you think... that when two cells join they magically form a person. At least my view is backed by biology.”
No yours is not. Yours is warped. If you took all the pro-abortionists on this website and you asked them to come up with a magical number when abortion should be restricted….everyone would have a different number. The fact is, they can detect the heart beating at 20 DAYS…….and if you stop a heart from beating it dies. The fact is you enslave the woman and force her to finish the pregnancy out even if she doesn’t believe the way you think. What right do you have to tell her she cant kill her child. The heart was beating before 20 days wasn’t it? Come on……you have no clue. You pro-choice? No way. If you were really pro-choice you would allow any woman the right to kill at any gestational age.
“I never see docs advertise pap smears either. Why do you think that is?”
You compare a pap smear with an abortion? LOL Most gynecologists do not perform abortions, for all the obvious reasons. Why if a doctor performs abortions does he/she not advertise as such? I think you know.
“Because they're self-righteous fools who wish to make it more diffcult for women to have control over their bodies. Perhaps.”
Boy are you judgmental. LOL Wow. Aren’t you open minded at all, or is your view the only one that is rational? I think why they don’t want them around their homes is because they are killing factories. They are places not where women are empowered but where killing takes place, they are human slaughter houses.
“I don't know anything about that either. Have a medical journal type source to back up such allegations?”
Yes and I’ll post that later.
“I don't like pics of blood and gore, I don't give a flying patootie WTF the procedure is. Why in the HELL would I want to have pics of bloody surgeries on my wall just because I think such surgeries should be legal? Do you have a wallpaper of a heart surgery on your wall? Why not? What about a live birth with a woman's bloody crotch splayed open? I mean, I'd think you'd be using them as wallpaper. Why don't you?”
Ahhhhhhh How come? People have the right to show these pictures…….you have the choice to cover your eyes or run in the opposite direction. It's so funny that it’s the pro-choice/abort group here that are even offended by live birth shots, the miracle of life. It seems to freak them out, makes them sick, scared……..offended. And yet they condone dismembering the unborn child and I am sure they can visualize that image.
“Let government deal with criminals and let God deal with sinners. In the end, all religious (or spiritual) people pick and choose their "sins."“
Then why do we need laws? The government tells us what is legal and what is not. Just because something is legal does that make it moral? Our government plays god in many ways. Our government also judges.
Tallloulou……dad is holding his own and patiently waiting until surgery on the 29th. I’ll fly back on the 24th to be with him before he goes in. He doesn’t need by-pass but a valve replacement and corroded arteries are bad and need attention. We are just praying he doesn’t have a stroke on the table. He is in Gods hands……..thanks for asking.
That's ok I'll let it drop. Not everyone's interested in self evaluation. :2wave:
