Is a total gun ban inevitable ???

[Ray410]

It would be a mistake to assume that a Liberal ban on guns or anything else means that Americans will not possess and use the subject of the ban.

 

[Surtr]

yes, I think it is inevitable.... but it won't happen all at once, it will takes years and year of incremental measures.... those measure will continue to be sold as " common sense" " responsible" and " reasonable"

You forgot "sensible".

 

[Thrilla]

no, we will never eventually ban all firearms.

just assault weapons and maybe require a permit for all handguns.

nothing tell me gun control freaks will stop shooting for a total ban,everything points to them not stopping ... there is no limit for them, enough is never enough..... that's been proven time and time again.

 

[Surtr]

nothing tell me gun control freaks will stop shooting for a total ban,everything points to them not stopping ... there is no limit for them, enough is never enough..... that's been proven time and time again.

They won't be stopping at guns, either.

 

[Empirica]

Guns are pretty damn "mobile" and it should be a no brainer that we would want them tracked when stolen also. Don't you think?

Registering a gun does not make it easier to track when stolen, just easier for government to confiscate from its legal owner if or when it is banned_

I think you should abandon your line of argument, before you convince yourself that guns should be at least as wel regulated as cars. I don't need any convincing.

Guns are in no need of regulation, only the type of people who are eligible to buy them_

Do you know why??? Because guns don't kill, people do!!!

This is probably much too simple a concept for you to grasp_

 

[AGENT J]

I believe the demise of the Second Amendment has been the ultimate plan of a certain segment of government and its far-left supporters for several decades now, otherwise why else would government require the records of all sales by Licensed Gun Dealers be preserved indefinitly?!



Considering that the United States is under attack from within by anti-America/anti-Capitalist forces, the dangers of preserving these records by far outweigh any threat that law-abiding gun owners present to life or property_

If there is even one elected representative left in Washington DC who is concerned about the integrity of the Constitution and Bill Of Rights, they should propose legislation that would ensure the seller destroy these records within 6 months after the buyer is determined to be a law abiding citizen_

And under no condition should laws be passed that would require Background Check records be preserved for any amount of time after being cleared__We are a free people and there is absolutely no reason for such records of law-abiding citizens to be in the possession of Big Brother_

"Is a total gun ban inevitable ???"

no, of course not :shrug:

 

[iguanaman]

yes, I think it is inevitable.... but it won't happen all at once, it will takes years and year of incremental measures.... those measure will continue to be sold as " common sense" " responsible" and " reasonable"

No. If the Govt. wanted to take away all your guns they would just do it.
A Govt. that is taking away guns to enslave its citizens would not mince around with namby pamby measures.

The only "slippery slope" we are on is what will the next generation of AR-15's be like? Lasers or neutron beam devices? Rocket powered bullets? When will enough be enough?

 

[iguanaman]

Registering a gun does not make it easier to track when stolen, just easier for government to confiscate from its legal owner if or when it is banned_

Guns are in no need of regulation, only the type of people who are eligible to buy them_

Do you know why??? Because guns don't kill, people do!!!

This is probably much too simple a concept for you to grasp_

Again with the banning guns thing. You promised not to mention that .You even denied you did.

I am getting the feeling that the banning guns strawman is the only good reason there is for opposing stricter gun regulation.
Do you have another good reason because no one is banning guns here.

 

[Empirica]

No. If the Govt. wanted to take away all your guns they would just do it.
A Govt. that is taking away guns to enslave its citizens would not mince around with namby pamby measures.

The only "slippery slope" we are on is what will the next generation of AR-15's be like? Lasers or neutron beam devices? Rocket powered bullets? When will enough be enough?

Whatever the next generation of firepower holds, law-abiding citizens must have legal access to them otherwise they will be at the mercy of criminals who aren't in the least bit concerned about whether or not it's legal_

 

[Skunked_Ape]

So it is your belief that automoblie owners are treated like criminals because we require them to register their vehicles and pass tests to make sure they can operate them safely? We also keep records on car ownership.

Records are kept to make sure the vehicle is taxed properly. What Government does best.:2razz:

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No, but if they try for a full gun ban, a civil war will be inevitable.

It is if they try to do it on one big step. That's why they are doing it in smaller steps instead.

 

[Thrilla]

No. If the Govt. wanted to take away all your guns they would just do it.
A Govt. that is taking away guns to enslave its citizens would not mince around with namby pamby measures.

The only "slippery slope" we are on is what will the next generation of AR-15's be like? Lasers or neutron beam devices? Rocket powered bullets? When will enough be enough?

stupid, but honest, people would shoot for a ban in one fell swoop... smart, but dishonest, people would shoot for incremental changes that eventually end in a ban ( most likely it would take the form of a de facto ban)
the first method is doomed to failure, the 2nd had already shown success....the 2nd method is being employed as we speak, by people you support.

the next generation of AR's? they will be firing traditional ammo, they'll just look scary and make liberals piss themselves... they'll still be under powered pea shooters
does it matter what form it takes?... you'll want them banned and they will only be available for the military and the police...and criminals of course
like the rest of your authoritarian lefty buddies, government agents and criminals are the only one you care about having rights.

 

[Tigger]

I do agree with the OP, that there is a segment of the population and politicians that would like to see a total ban on civilian firearm ownership in this country. Their reasons for and means of reaching that objective are many and varied, but it is something they believe in as wholeheartedly as I believe that they are raving lunatics.

I do believe that in the next 6-12 months you are going to see drastic changes in Federal Law/Policy regarding firearms and with the State of New York's move yesterday, that you will see a slew of new firearms regulations at the State level in many areas. I also believe that you will see something that I never expected in my lifetime; the citizens of this nation telling the Government to go **** themselves and willfully disobeying these new laws and regulations whenever/wherever they cannot avoid them. I know of two individuals in New York who put their homes up for sale yesterday due to Governor Cuomo's new regulations and several others who are in the process of working towards that same goal. They intend to relocate to Pennsylvania and take their guns with them.

What I don't think these politicians and citizens realize is that no matter what law you put in place, the lengths you go to in trying to confiscate or limit gun ownership, Americans will still have guns. There are millions of them already in circulation. Many of us will hide them, or report them as stolen before allowing them to be confiscated. Others will fight back violently when the Government comes for them. You may make America a "Gun Free Zone" on paper, but it will never be so in reality.

 

[Paratrooper]

I can't imagine what would give someone the idea they wanted to ban guns......

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… … Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in. I would have done that. I could not do that, the votes weren’t here.” Senator Diane Feinstein 1995.

You know the bleeding heart appeal, parading the children arround it will win over some people to just ban them altogether, which I truly do think is their ultimate goal.

 

[SMTA]

I can't imagine what would give someone the idea they wanted to ban guns......

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… … Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in. I would have done that. I could not do that, the votes weren’t here.” Senator Diane Feinstein 1995.

You know the bleeding heart appeal, parading the children arround it will win over some people to just ban them altogether, which I truly do think is their ultimate goal.

I hear you, but I cannot factor in the effects of the recent shootings into today's mix.

I suppose the next several weeks will be quite interesting.

I still tend to think that any drastic anti 2A moves would be political suicide.

 

[wolfman24]

there is no way to totally ban guns in this country. It is a logistical impossibility. Not withstanding the chaos it would cause. Only a dreamer would think so.

 

[Surtr]

there is no way to totally ban guns in this country. It is a logistical impossibility. Not withstanding the chaos it would cause. Only a dreamer would think so.

It's not impossible to ban them, banning just makes them illegal. It won't remove them from existence, just like prohibition didn't remove alcohol from existence, and the war on drugs didn't remove narcotics from existence. It will just create more criminals and expand the black market.

 

[SMTA]

Whatever the next generation of firepower holds, law-abiding citizens must have legal access to them otherwise they will be at the mercy of criminals who aren't in the least bit concerned about whether or not it's legal_

Let it go!

He can continue to tiptoe through the tulips and turn a blind eye to individual rights.

Those of us who are educated and watchful will save his bacon, as we always do, when we save ours.

 

[Empirica]

Let it go!

He can continue to tiptoe through the tulips and turn a blind eye to individual rights.

Those of us who are educated and watchful will save his bacon, as we always do, when we save ours.

How ironic it is that those he is so sure are wrong might some day save him from those he is so sure are right_

Once again the gullible liberal masses have bet the farm on an ideology that has a long track record of failure_

 

[SMTA]

How ironic it is that those he is so sure are wrong might some day save him from those he is so sure are right_

Once again the gullible liberal masses have bet the farm on an ideology that has a long track record of failure_

When you bet the farm, you usually buy the farm, if you are familiar with that expression!

 

[Masada]

It is always overlooked that all criminals were "law abiding citizens" first. Why do you overlook that fact?

Why do we overlook it???? Are you serious with this BS????

Because we live in a freakin country where people are PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN TO BE GUILTY!

I swear, if you liberals wanna live in THAT kind of society, then by all means, move to China. They're full blown Communist, and you will really enjoy the way they treat the common people.

By your logic, I should report you NOW, for the future crimes you commit. Go ahead and pay the fine for a parking ticket today, because you know you'll get one in 6 months. How freaking retarded is that??????

We dont treat law abiding citizens like future criminals in this country. The reason you are forced into your comments is because of your political philosophy. Liberalism FORCES you into a philosophy of "control", because that's what liberalism is. You guys don't believe in freedom, you believe in control. People need to stand up and point people like you out in public for what you are. You're not a defender of freedom, you're a denier of freedom, as are your philosophies. I'm not afraid to tell the truth, it's who you guys are. You traded your freedoms long ago. You're happy to give them up for political wins, and a chance to rub Dick Cheney's nose in ****t. Meanwhile, society continues to erode around you. Education crumbles in front of your faces. Violence increases no matter how many gun laws you pass. Families become an even bigger joke, and kids suffer for it, despite all your liberal support for gay rights and equality. Unemployment becomes an epidemic because of the liberal wet dream of getting even with big business once and for all. You cut your noses off to spite your faces, and everything you touch turns to crap. Liberals own education in America, and look at it. What a joke our public education system has become. They own big labor, and look at it. No longer is it a system FOR the worker, but a system of FORCE to suck profit away from rightful owners while FORCING people to be part of their unions and pay dues. So much for "choice" right? I can go on for days.

You overlook the fact that guns don't kill people without people using them. So maybe the problem isn't guns at all, but people. Ya think????? Why do you overlook that fact?

By your standards, we should just jail everyone in America right now, because all criminals were at one time law abiding citizens right? Let's start with you.....

 

[iguanaman]

there is no way to totally ban guns in this country. It is a logistical impossibility. Not withstanding the chaos it would cause. Only a dreamer would think so.

And you will never hear it from proponents of sane gun regulation. It is exclusively the battle cry of the gun crazies who think the Govt. is out to get them. It goes...." first it was Ruby Ridge, then Waco, and now the Govt. is taking all our guns". It is sort of a religous incantation more than anything. You know like Hail Mary full of Guns.

 

[iguanaman]

Let it go!

He can continue to tiptoe through the tulips and turn a blind eye to individual rights.

Those of us who are educated and watchful will save his bacon, as we always do, when we save ours.

Save me from what? I hope you don't mean save like that AR-15 she loved "saved" Nancy Lanza and 26 others. How would you like to be the salesmen that sold her that weapon? Why didn't anyone tell her that leaving where others can get it is dangerous and illegal? She was having her son committed and still left that gun for him to use.
How could she not have known how dangerous and stupid that was? Can't you at least agree we need better education about the storage of loaded weapons?

Nancy Lanza, the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, was in the process of having her son committed to a psychiatric facility when he went on the mass shooting spree, a lifelong family acquaintance told Fox News.

A senior law enforcement official also confirmed that 20-year-old Lanza's anger over his mother's plan is being investigated as a possible motive for the Newtown shooting.

"From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off."

Adam Lanza's Motive: Did Fear Of Being Committed Lead To Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting? (UPDATE)

 

[Fisher]

The 50 caliber sniper rifle is perhaps the only gun I would readily support so heavily regulating that it would effectively be banned. Beyond that, the slope gets too steep and too slippery.

 

[Thrilla]

And you will never hear it from proponents of sane gun regulation. It is exclusively the battle cry of the gun crazies who think the Govt. is out to get them. It goes...." first it was Ruby Ridge, then Waco, and now the Govt. is taking all our guns". It is sort of a religous incantation more than anything. You know like Hail Mary full of Guns.

it's true, you won't hear it from sane gun control proponents.... you hear just what we hear now... incremental measures eventually ending in a defacto ban.

there will be no big hammer coming down... it will be small slices and dices.
that's easiest way to violate peoples rights and offers best chance to keep the peace.