Is a nuclear Iran NOT a threat?

[justabubba]

I believe he's referring to the Iranian sponsoring(Training, weapon supplying, etc) of the anti-Israeli terrorist organization of Hizb'allah and to the Iranian weapons supplying to the anti-Israeli terrorist organization of Hamas.

ok, then give us a cite showing that those charges of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes it has committed against israel have been formally levied

 

[NoJingoLingo]

I believe he's referring to the Iranian sponsoring(Training, weapon supplying, etc) of the anti-Israeli terrorist organization of Hizb'allah and to the Iranian weapons supplying to the anti-Israeli terrorist organization of Hamas.

Do Hamas and Hezbollah train and employ suicide bombers? If you say yes, then please provide proof.

When did Iran or Israel formally declare war on the other?

 

[Apocalypse]

Do Hamas and Hezbollah train and employ suicide bombers? If you say yes, then please provide proof.

What do you mean proof?
Where the **** have you been during the intifada?
And why are you referring to suicide bombers specifically?
We're speaking about terrorism generally here.

When did Iran or Israel formally declare war on the other?

Provide evidence to where I have suggested that they did.
It's called proxy war for a reason.
The USSR and the US haven't declared wars on each other as well.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

I believe he's referring to the Iranian sponsoring(Training, weapon supplying, etc) of the anti-Israeli terrorist organization of Hizb'allah and to the Iranian weapons supplying to the anti-Israeli terrorist organization of Hamas.

Looks like that's your quote which was in response to my question to rogerredy of: What "Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes it has committed against israel"?

What do you mean proof?
Where the **** have you been during the intifada?

What intifada?

And why are you referring to suicide bombers specifically?
We're speaking about terrorism generally here.

That's what happens when you interject in someone elses discussion without paying attention to that discussion.

Oh I'm sorry, I must have missed the US suicide bombing pizza parlours...

Provide evidence to where I have suggested that they did.

The evidence is your response which is the first quote above.

It's called proxy war for a reason.
The USSR and the US haven't declared wars on each other as well.

So they haven't declared war on each other which means no war crimes have been committed. :2wave:

I like the way you use America and the former USSR as examples of how Israel and Iran are acting. So that makes them just as dirty as us OR it makes us as dirty as them. Take your pick of the semantics.

 

[Apocalypse]

First of all let me state that you express here an unbelievable ignorance in not only the ME history and ME politics but politics in general.

What intifada?

Both intifadas.
One who has to ask such question is one who should also ask himself if he's really certain about posting in a politics forum.

That's what happens when you interject in someone elses discussion without paying attention to that discussion.

I did pay attention, I just didn't know that you care specifically for suicide-bombing and not terrorism in general.

Nevertheless, I did point you out to where did Hamas use suicide bombers.

I like the way you use America and the former USSR as examples of how Israel and Iran are acting. So that makes them just as dirty as us OR it makes us as dirty as them. Take your pick of the semantics.

Your imagination is working on additional hours.
I have given an example of a proxy war, if you want to go conspiracy theorist on me I say bring it on.

 

[Apocalypse]

So they haven't declared war on each other which means no war crimes have been committed. :2wave:

I wish to give the above statement by NoJingoLingo a comment of its own, to allow the users of this forum to see the knowledge - rather say - lack of knowledge expressed by him here and allow people to discredit him, making it easier for the forum as a collective.

He is claiming here that a war crime cannot be committed unless one is engaged in a declared war.
Anyone who understands that the concept of war-crimes, the violations of the laws of war, are applying to any kind of warfare, and not only declared wars, can hence dismiss poster NoJingoLingo's claims.

 

[justabubba]

I wish to give the above statement by NoJingoLingo a comment of its own, to allow the users of this forum to see the knowledge - rather say - lack of knowledge expressed by him here and allow people to discredit him, making it easier for the forum as a collective.

He is claiming here that a war crime cannot be committed unless one is engaged in a declared war.
Anyone who understands that the concept of war-crimes, the violations of the laws of war, are applying to any kind of warfare, and not only declared wars, can hence dismiss poster NoJingoLingo's claims.

still waiting for your side to post cites showing that those charges of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes iran committed against israel have been formally levied

until then you are dodging

 

[Apocalypse]

still waiting for your side to post cites showing that those charges of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes iran committed against israel have been formally levied

until then you are dodging

I never said that they were, I don't see a reason to respond to every request from me on things that I haven't even stated to begin with.

Just thinking about the time I'd have spent if I'd do so... :shock:

 

[justabubba]

I never said that they were,

no, you didn't
but you replied on belhalf of the person who was asked that question, to document their assertion that iran committed war crimes. you posted instead, attempting to conceal the pending request for a reply

I don't see a reason to respond to every request from me on things that I haven't even stated to begin with.

you have no oblighation to respond to anything. just as i have no obligation to refrain from pointing out your efforts to avoid the facts being presented

Just thinking about the time I'd have spent if I'd do so... :shock:

based on the posts that have been committed i share your sentiment that the time spent by you would have been wasted

 

[b.larset]

GO to CIA facebook and look at the government of IRAN .. RELIGIOUS
MULAHS they are the head of the nation its a Theocracy. I was just like you till I got Fiddeled with the Tree type that is. FiddyTree said" its interesting go look at the history of the struggles and history of our collective passions as one nation among many". He was right we are at a perilous cross roads now. If Iran is'nt stopped it will in the short term start a race for the BOMB in the middle east.The issue isnt whether Iran and the theocracy will use the bomb to rid the muslim world of Isreal- It IS WHEN!They gotta do it after all- GOD IS WATCHING. also go see Jean Kirkpatrics- Dictators & double standards.
It is the obama foreign policy kinda. Commentary Magazine.

 

[Apocalypse]

no, you didn't
but you replied on belhalf of the person who was asked that question, to document their assertion that iran committed war crimes. you posted instead, attempting to conceal the pending request for a reply


you have no oblighation to respond to anything. just as i have no obligation to refrain from pointing out your efforts to avoid the facts being presented


based on the posts that have been committed i share your sentiment that the time spent by you would have been wasted

Let's cut to the chase: are you too as the above jingobingolingodingo, saying here that a war crime can only be committed if the acts of warfare during which the laws of war have been violated were occurring as part of a declared war?

 

[justabubba]

Let's cut to the chase: are you too as the above jingobingolingodingo, saying here that a war crime can only be committed if the acts of warfare during which the laws of war have been violated were occurring as part of a declared war?

not going to aid your efforts to derail the thread and the question

i take it you, too are unable to post cites showing where iran has been formally charged with Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes against israel

which absence of proof is an indicator those making such assertions about iran are blowing smoke up their own asses

 

[Apocalypse]

not going to aid your efforts to derail the thread and the question

So to use your own terms - you're dodging.
How ironic yet so blunt.

i take it you, too are unable to post cites showing where iran has been formally charged with Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes against israel

Once more, I've never said that they did.
That doesn't mean much though.

 

[justabubba]

So to use your own terms - you're dodging.

quite the opposite. i am pointing out your efforts to move the thread away from the question i am asking ... originally directed to the forum member who asserted iran had committed Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes against israel

How ironic yet so blunt.

missed the irony. please point it out. and do tell us why being blunt is a bad thing

Once more, I've never said that they did.

and yet you stepped in to answer for the person to whom that question was directed. we notice neither you nor that forum member, who asserted iran committed Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes, has been able to offer anything proving that bold assertion

That doesn't mean much though.

we have become used to it ... we set the bar very low

 

[OrlandoGringo]

Or a Catholic Priest... :rofl

This remark was totally out of line and very offensive. The overwhelming majority of priests are upstanding guys. Stop being a jack-ass.

 

[OrlandoGringo]

so, that was yet another war we lost then
good to know

Who is "we"? You aren't "we", you are "them", you anti-American, Iranian schill. :bootyshake

 

[Apocalypse]

quite the opposite. i am pointing out your efforts to move the thread away from the question i am asking ...

You can ask the question while giving an answer, as I've proven in my last post to you.
Since you haven't, and since you still do, you are dodging while claiming that another person is dodging - hence the irony, and also quite a ****load of hypocrisy.

and yet you stepped in to answer for the person to whom that question was directed. we notice neither you nor that forum member, who asserted iran committed Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes, has been able to offer anything proving that bold assertion

You've asked two different things.
The first was to base the statement that Iran was committing crimes against humanity/war crimes, the second was that it was formally recognized. (International court of justice in the Hague, most probably)

The first question, the one that I've got involved because of, was the one that I've answered - Iran's war crime is their support, sponsoring and training of terrorist organizations that have committed, commit, and will commit in the future acts of terrorism against the Israeli people.

we have become used to it ... we set the bar very low

Who's we?
Are you going to come up with the "we are legion" bull****? :2razz:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

This remark was totally out of line and very offensive. The overwhelming majority of priests are upstanding guys. Stop being a jack-ass.

Who is "we"? You aren't "we", you are "them", you anti-American, Iranian schill. :bootyshake

Moderator's Warning:

This kind of posting is not allowed. As you know, rules of the ME Forum have no changed, and posts like this result in infractions and thread bans.

 

[Degreez]

The first question, the one that I've got involved because of, was the one that I've answered - Iran's war crime is their support, sponsoring and training of terrorist organizations that have committed, commit, and will commit in the future acts of terrorism against the Israeli people.

Support/sponsoring/training of a terrorist organization is not specifically a war crime or a crime against humanity.

That would be like saying if Israel committed a war crime/crime against humanity with say... an AH-64, then the US has also committed the same war crime/crime against humanity. Guilt by association is fallacious.

 

[Apocalypse]

Support/sponsoring/training of a terrorist organization is not specifically a war crime or a crime against humanity.

That would be like saying if Israel committed a war crime/crime against humanity with say... an AH-64, then the US has also committed the same war crime/crime against humanity. Guilt by association is fallacious.

Iran attacking Israeli civilians through a proxy organization seems a bit of a war crime to me.

Sort of like the British MI6 shooting civilians in the streets of Brazil.

 

[Degreez]

Iran attacking Israeli civilians through a proxy organization seems a bit of a war crime to me.

Sort of like the British MI6 shooting civilians in the streets of Brazil.

Exactly which Laws of War is Iran violating?

A war crime is an actual violation of the Laws and Customs of Warfare. Providing funds to a terrorist organization is not a war crime.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

Or your mom with me when I was little. :lol:

This remark was totally out of line and very offensive. The overwhelming majority of priests are upstanding guys. Stop being a jack-ass.

So that's how you handle getting called out on the first post, instead of apologizing you attack again...

 

[NoJingoLingo]

The same far left trash that screeches about how the US used death squads and CIA-designed insurgencies in latin america and elsewhere - have no issues with iran doing far, far worse - and fomenting large wars behind the scenes.

Just gotta love the intellectually bankrupt far left - and the paid iran shills... :roll:

Do you think there is any difference between the way Americans feel about what America does and what Iran does? You see, I'm much more concered with the USA acting like ****ing idiots around the world, exploiting poor Countries and their People for corporate profit than I am about Iran (or any Country for that matter) doing the exact same thing.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

First of all, let me state that you begin your attack with a logical fallacy called "poisoning the well". You go downhill from there.

First of all let me state that you express here an unbelievable ignorance in not only the ME history and ME politics but politics in general.

That's an interesting opinion you have, especially considering that you've been dodging so many questions.

Both intifadas.

Again, what Intifada(s) don't you have any info on them or did you just hear some other :censored puke that up?

One who has to ask such question is one who should also ask himself if he's really certain about posting in a politics forum.

One who avoids answering a question by obfuscation should ask himself... you know.

I did pay attention, I just didn't know that you care specifically for suicide-bombing and not terrorism in general.

That's because, as I already pointed out, you interject in the discussion without actually following it.

Nevertheless, I did point you out to where did Hamas use suicide bombers.

Perhaps you could put that into English so we can all understand WTF you're saying.

Your imagination is working on additional hours.
I have given an example of a proxy war, if you want to go conspiracy theorist on me I say bring it on.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between an analogy and a conspiracy theory.

I think I'm done playing this game with you. :2wave:

 

[NoJingoLingo]

GO to CIA facebook and look at the government of IRAN .. RELIGIOUS
MULAHS they are the head of the nation its a Theocracy. I was just like you till I got Fiddeled with the Tree type that is. FiddyTree said" its interesting go look at the history of the struggles and history of our collective passions as one nation among many". He was right we are at a perilous cross roads now. If Iran is'nt stopped it will in the short term start a race for the BOMB in the middle east.The issue isnt whether Iran and the theocracy will use the bomb to rid the muslim world of Isreal- It IS WHEN!They gotta do it after all- GOD IS WATCHING. also go see Jean Kirkpatrics- Dictators & double standards.
It is the obama foreign policy kinda. Commentary Magazine.

Iran needs to be stopped from creating nuclear weapons, not because they may or may not use them but because we don't need more countries with nuclear arms; especially when we are actively trying to get nuclear countries to get rid of their arsenals.

Fear-mongering about Iran is not helping.