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If Iraqi officials really want a time table on pull out, I think it is a good sign that things are going great. We should give them a time table (not publicly) and leave when they want us to. I think this is great news.ddoyle00 said:Right, they are calling for a timetable. Its twice as bad when the people we are trying to help ask us to leave and then we get the same response back home.
-"insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if their operations do not target innocent civilians or institutions designed to provide for the welfare of Iraqi citizens.-Yahoo News 22/Nov/05
The thing that gets me is their definition of a terrorist. To paraphrase, they said anyone who attacks a civilian target a terrorist. If someone blows up an American military target, then they are not terrorists.
They are making it more and more clear how they feel about being liberated.
GarzaUK said:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_conference
Iraqi Leaders Call for Pullout Timetable
CAIRO, Egypt - Reaching out to the Sunni Arab community, Iraqi leaders called for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces and said Iraq's opposition had a "legitimate right" of resistance.
The communique — finalized by Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni leaders Monday — condemned terrorism but was a clear acknowledgment of the Sunni position that insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if their operations do not target innocent civilians or institutions designed to provide for the welfare of Iraqi citizens.
The leaders agreed on "calling for the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces ... control the borders and the security situation" and end terror attacks.
M14 Shooter said:This came from the Arab League, not the Iraqi government, and it came from Cairo, not Baghdad.
As such, it doesnt really mean much.
The preparatory reconciliation conference, held under the auspices of the Arab League, was attended by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish lawmakers as well as leading Sunni politicians.
BWG said:You don't want the Iraqs to succeed in the reclamation of their own country?
Yes... and it wasnt an official statement of the position of the Iraqi government - as it was made by the Arab league, not the Iraqi government.BWG said:It was a preliminary talk, the first step. A move to reunite their country and take control and leadership.
The point is that the statement didnt come from the government of Iraqm but an outside party in an a place outside Iraq.Maybe the meeting was held in Cairo in order to remove themselves from the chaos in Baghdad. Would it have been any different if the meeting was held in Washington, D.C.?
Of course I do.You don't want the Iraqs to succeed in the reclamation of their own country?
YNKYH8R said:This is a laugh. Are you kidding? The Bush administration avoids putting a timetable for pull out saying it makes us look bad, or weak, or some other lame excuse. And now they’re asking for one. Give to them.
The only way we will know if they are ready to defend their own freedom is if they are given a chance to.
YNKYH8R said:That's why this coming year they should start scaling back and let the Iraqis take the helm. Let them do they're own security let them do their own sweep and kill moves. Give'm a chance.
YNKYH8R said:Yes, but the administration has been quite vague on just what it wants to do more. Does it…
A) Want to get Iraq back on its feet?
B) Want to defeat the terrorist threat?
One will come quicker than the other, and I’ll betcha that some people feel that if we have little to no presence in Iraq or at least the Middle East we’ll look weak or like we’re not doing anything.
There should have been a plan. If there was one is one it isn’t being executed properly. Personally the “war on terror” IMO is kind of delusional.
I agree we need to get out bottom line....but will we?Calm2Chaos said:Regaurdless. You have to wait and make sure that there forces are ready to take over the helm as you say. And this is exactly what has been going on there. They are being trained and equiped to hadle tere ow country security needs. And when they meet that point we will then proceed with a slow calculated withdraw. If we smash and dash we are going to end up back again in 2 years.
Iraq as a stable democratic goverment is a definet defeat for terrorist. I think you wil find a lot of young muslims that given the chance will prefer to have a say in tere own lives as opposed to being told to strap on a martry vest and run into the middle of a group of children
YNKYH8R said:I agree we need to get out bottom line....but will we?
After the cold war is over who do we pick on then?
YNKYH8R said:Yes, but the administration has been quite vague on just what it wants to do more. Does it…
A) Want to get Iraq back on its feet?
B) Want to defeat the terrorist threat?
Wait a minute you mean you actually think we can win a war on terror?M14 Shooter said:These are not mutually exclusive and can be achieved concurrently.
YNKYH8R said:Wait a minute you mean you actually think we can win a war on terror?
Okay okay...humor me; how are we going to win the war on terrorism?M14 Shooter said:Wait a minute - you actually think we can't?!?!
YNKYH8R said:Okay okay...humor me; how are we going to win the war on terrorism?
Originally Posted by YNKYH8R
Wait a minute you mean you actually think we can win a war on terror?
Wait a minute - you actually think we can't?!?!
YNKYH8R said:Okay okay...humor me; how are we going to win the war on terrorism?
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