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Iraqi Leaders Want the US to Go!

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And they'll fail because...........?
Our leaving would mean that they are ready to defend themselves. Obviously we couldn't leave before that point.

*Fail how? How do we define failure if we can't define victory?
 

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Hoot said:
We can't all be as smart and interesting as you, Sarge. They told me not to iron my BDU's...can't help it if I have wrinkled shirts.

I gotta tell ya, your last paragraph is so biased and one sided and narrow minded, I'm beginning to think it's pointless conversing with someone who has been so brainwashed, not only by your upbringing, but by your military life.

If I was truely offended, I would've reported your last paragraph as a deliberate personal attack, but I prefer to attack back, and perhaps give you some revelation into your inclination to believe that you are a better person then anyone who doesn't hold your views.

Stop speaking for the entire military, too. It's annoying and smacks of egotism.

As far as Iraq, most of us do not see the improvement.

Have a nice day.


Sure you can. Just read and study the region instead of waiting for ignorant reporters and self-serving politicians to tell you their views of the reality. I admit that despite my extensive study with the region and the subjects pertaining, I do have an insight due to my job specifics.

What's biased? You're the one placing political agendas above the situation. I guarantee you that the tactical situations in Iraq have nothing to do with the Republican or Democratic Party's wishes. They merely exploit what is there.

Most of you do not see improvement, because you choose not to. Despite the risk of death, Iraqis of every background came out to vote on two separate significant occasions this year. Despite the fear and the grim picture being painted on the situation in Iraq, the terrorists proved powerless to halt the country's progress. Despite the murder and the terror to instill deep fear upon people who would be free, the Iraqi people continue to send a clear message to Islam’s most perverted adherents and the Arab elite throughout the region. Never before in the Arab world have a country's citizens been permitted to vote on the laws that would govern them. Even if Iraq must endure further blood shed, this is a historic moment in the Middle East. One that will prove to be a turning point for the Arab and Persian future and one that will be a historical era for our future security. Our media's response? "These votes don't matter." "The Iraqi government is a puppet government." "Their new constitution's flawed." "Iraq's Sunni Arabs will resort to civil war." The voices of doom are always in a hurry to turn any bit of light into the grimmest story line. Currently, while the media and the negative frenzied viewers embrace the notion that after two years, only “one” battalion of Iraqis are acting on their own (thanks to the misinformation given by a certain Army Generel who’s loyalty was more for his political masters rather than his troops or the truth), they dismiss that there are over 58,000 Iraqi soldiers trained and fighting along side Americans. By contrast, it took 14 months to establish a police force in Germany and 10 years to begin training a new German army. The Iraqi Government has stated that their security forces will be at 75 percent strength by next year. This is safe number, however, the military intel numbers place that percentage as higher.

The media will quickly point out the destroyed schools from our bombing and our fighting with their region’s extremists, yet, dismiss the fact that most of the decay is the result of over a decade of neglect and under-funding following the imposition of UN sanctions after Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait, as well as the impact of three wars starting with the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Despite the global left wishing and giving impressions that “we” are to take credit for all of this destruction, the truth is that we are funding and building schools, through contractors and Seabees, all over Iraq and despite much of the current poor facilities, a recent survey by UNICEF found that overall enrollment has surged from 3.6 million youngsters in primary school in 2000 to some 4.3 million at present.

Levels of satisfaction in Iraq vary by region. Among the Kurds, 85 percent think life has improved since the fall of Saddam. In the Mid-Euphrates region and the south, 52 percent are more satisfied. In Baghdad there was a three-way split between better, worse, and don't know. And in the Sunni Triangle only 12 percent think things have gotten better, understandable given both the fact that they had enjoyed special privileges under Saddam, and those who are now denied those privileges are making life difficult for everybody. Naturally, the security situation is on people's minds. Around 70 percent of respondents either agreed or strongly agreed with the statements, "Life today is full of uncertainty" and "I am afraid for myself and my family." However, there were similar high scores agreeing to the statement "I am hopeful for the future," and the highest scoring statement of all was "I think things will slowly get better."

When the Marines took Fallujah at the end of last year, they began the strategically important process of interdicting the insurgents' infiltration routes from the Syrian border into the heart of Iraq. One ratline follows the Euphrates River corridor — running from Syria to Husayba on the Syrian border and then through Qaim, Rawa, Haditha, Asad, Hit, and Fallujah to Baghdad. The other follows the course of the Tigris — from the north through Mosul-Tel Afar to Tikrit and on to Baghdad. Operations followed throughout the spring and summer of 2005. While the earlier operations succeeded in keeping the pressure on the insurgents in Al-Anbar province they could not prevent the insurgents from abandoning one town and moving to another not threatened by allied forces. That has begun to change lately (around September) and one of the reasons is that our forces are able to apply simultaneous force against the insurgent strongholds and, more important, to stay in the area because many Iraqi units are now able to conduct combat operations with minimal U.S. support. This kind of information is usually not a matter for public attention, because every time a soldier of “Allah” decides to get to heaven faster, he destroys civilian lives for the entertainment of media cameras.

You won’t hear any of this though, because Al-Queda doesn’t need to know of the Iraqi successes (which offers the devils of progress fresh targets) and despite them knowing just how badly their murderous rampages are failing to inspire fear, the media isn’t interested. The intelligence community always offers consistency by doing as they always do - covering their asses. Every so often, National Intelligence Reports that are released reveal a bleak picture regarding Iraq’s future that counteracts the reality of military reports and current events. Why? Because intel bureaucrats don’t want to be blamed if things go wrong. There’s nothing safer than assuming failure. Those that look for it, have come to expect it.



Regarding my UNICEF reference:
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news..._IN_IRAQ_LACK_BASICS_FOR_DECENT_EDUCATION.asp
 
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GySgt said:
Sure you can. Just read and study the region instead of waiting for ignorant reporters and self-serving politicians to tell you their views of the reality. I admit that despite my extensive study with the region and the subjects pertaining, I do have an insight due to my job specifics.

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http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news..._IN_IRAQ_LACK_BASICS_FOR_DECENT_EDUCATION.asp

Thanks for the report. Jeez after spending $250 billion dollars I'd hope things are a little better over there. My guess is any country we spend $250 billion on would be a little better off. You'd think the Iraqis would appreciate us spending all that money on them and stand up for the government we gave them.

Most cons bitch about spending money on foreign aid, which we spend for all the rest of the world combined about 1/10 of what we have spent on Iraq. Iraq is an exception, because Bush got us into it, I suppose.
 

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M14 Shooter said:
Silly you, trying to set up a strawman. Why don't you ask a question relevant to the statement I made?

The question is not what ideologies were defeated by US military action, but what ideologies were defeated, period

Fascism, National Socialism and Comminism were all defeated; the former two by military action (in which the US participated and played a key role), the third though various means including direct and indirect military action (in which the US participated and played a key role).
You've still not shown where this is true.
 
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