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Iraqi Court: Execute Saddam within 30 days

This guy wasn't a cameraman. This is not the official videotaping of the hanging. The official tape will never be seen, I'm quite sure. But at least this cell-phone video is enough to keep all of the conspiracy nuts at bay. It happened.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Also if you primary mission was to help your fellow why did you choose Iraq and you know that for the cost of Iraq war it would be possibility to do enourmous amount of other "helping". But back to this thread:
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And this is exactly what I was referring. What's not clear about it? Nobody said anything about a "primary mission." This sort of tactic is merely a way to explain away the absence of morality. Was Saddam evil? Did America choose to do something? Did others choose to defend that evil? The threat to the world is Middle Eastern Radical Islam. Therefore, helping Mulsims in the Middle East is logical.

Tens of millions of Muslims now have an opportunity to do something about their misery that they would not have had otherwise without our involvement. The success of Iraq is very important to the region. If it fails, it will be just one more Arab failure among a history of failures. But perhaps Iraq is theior last chance to get it right. Hundreds of millions of Muslims are at stake. And so is our security against a religiously ravaged region.




Really? Where have you been? Your region of the earth is the greatest offender. How many times have we heard that America has no right to interfere with soveriegnty? "Soveriegnty" was the exhoneration of Berlin, Paris, and Brussels. But let's just pretend that the world is BebatePolitics.com. How many that are reasding this right now have used the "soveriegnty" sham as an excuse to do nothing?


Exactly my point. You obviously know very little about Saddam Hussein and his local accusers that represent millions of others.
 

Yes I do. If you don't, then you are blind to what occurred. It is absurd to suggest that removing Saddam would have no impact on his victims. The fact that over twenty million Muslims have been freed from their brutal and socially destructive dictator have nothing to do with anything? All those voters in Iraq was simply an accidental happening in the wake of the tyrant's dismissal? The exhoneration is very typical. To avoid the uncomfortable acceptance of diminished morality, one only has to prove where the "good samaritan" did it only for selfish reasons.




Yes. What do you think America's lot in the ME has been up until 2003? For decades we have looked away as Radical Islamists destroyed their societies and stranded their people in misery. We have looked away as these governments have used us as a scapegoat to explain away their self-prescribed stagnations. We have looked away as religious leaders have explained away the fauilures of their culture and fundamental adherence to religion on a "Satan" across the sea. We have played as mediator and pro-longed Muslim on Mulsim wars in order to maintain a balance. We have done all of this because stability at all costs was the accepted form of foreign policy to bring you your oil.

Until we took Saddam out, we have never done anything of substance for the people that have been so brutalized in the Middle East. America has a long history of going abroad to aid human kind against the evil that walks the earth. For too long, we have borrowed on Europe's sense of "stability."

The act of selfishness was us doing nothing.
 
26 X World Champs said:
Had Bush stated that was his objective instead of making up reasons to attack Iraq I would be less of a Bush basher.
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I doubt it. You have proven to be extremely partisan enough times. Also, with this statement you are falling in line with those who choose to focus on the absence of nuclear bombs in Iraq and dismissing over twenty million Muslims that were freed from tyranny.


26 X World Champs said:
The reality is that Bush and his evil tribe purposely distorted and manipulated the truth in order to start a war....unprecedented in modern US history and since the real truth has been exposed all the more infuriating.
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Meh. He made the freshman mistake of not believing in Americans. Obviously he believed that to help someone else and to gamble on the notion that the bigger threat the ME holds for us was too great to explain to Americans. He felt he needed an "immediate" threat to act.

Appears that he was right. All his critics and the Global Left care about was the absence of nuclear bombs in Iraq. Twenty million Iraqis just doesn't matter.


No, this is what you do to exhonerate yourself from acknowledging the noble effort. "If" we had declared our intentions..."If" we had done it right...."If," is a word of deceit.

We can talk all day about the mistakes of the war in Iraq. I can do it better than anyone and with much more accuracy beyond the politcal BS. But none of it changes that America toppled a brutal tyrant. Here lies the morality or the absence of it.


Wrong again. This is "one" of the reasons you were told about why we were heading for Iraq. This does not mean this is why. If you were so susceptable and ignorant of your global happenings, then shame on you. If WMD is your only incentive to help a non-American, than shame on you.

"However," is what I was talking about in my earlier post. There is no "however." There is right and wrong. There is good and evil. "However," should never get in the way of doing what is right.

Iraq had nothing to do with being a world's policeman. This tactic of exhoneration is perhaps the most obtuse of tactics. We cannot be the world policemen. We couldn't be such a thing if we tried. However, we are the global referree



I love it when the Global Left reveal themselves. Our liberation of Iraqis have brought out the worst in the Global Left. If you can't help everyone, why help anyone? The thruth is that it doesn't matter what America does. If we chose to invade into Sudan, we would hear the same outcry. But let's consider what so many have trouble with....Why Saddam?

Because Iraq was do-able while North Korea is not. Because we bore a special responsibility, due to our bygone support for the Baghdad regime. Because Saddam had launched wars of aggression unmatched by other contemporary dictators. Because he did seek weapons of mass destruction. Because the situation in Iraq continued to worsen. Because the threat to global civilization is the Radical Islam that is festering and exponentially creating religious terrorists in the Middle East. And because you have to start somewhere.

No coward has ever been short of good reasons for doing nothing. To claim that you aren't safer 5 years after 9/11 is sophomoric. America will be safer after generations in the Middle East benifit from the activity in Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, "Palestine," Turkey, and Afghanistan. If you are ignorant of what is going on in these places, do some reading and discover what is being thrust onto the surface since our invasion into the Saddam regime. This effort is not just about Iraq. This is about a failing civilization. And that is the threat and the "bottom line."


It's a simple question....."Is it moral to topple a brutal dictator or is it moral to produce reasons to turn one's back?"
 
26 X World Champs said:
Versus Iraq where there was not a war, not a threat, nothing that justified an offensive attack which is where I differ.
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You are doing my work for me. It is the position of the Global Left to maintain a sense of higher morality and of true idealistics for humanity. We hear all the time that equality and peace are the driving force for the Global Left's protests. But the truth is that they only care about their peace. If peace for them means that others must suffer, they will silently cheer it while they publicly condemn it until American boots hit the ground. The tyranny gleefully turns into that anti-Americanism we have become so used to seeing over the decades. The Global Left have wordlessly agreed to let the rest of the world rot.

You said it yourself. Human suffering doesn't "justify" an offensive attack. The Hitlers of the world thrive on this type of support. It seems that over the last decade and a half that "Liberal" thought is in the decline. Either that or the Conservative has taken the bataan.


Just look what has occurred on this thread? The topic is Saddam's execution. But we have seen no end to why we should have allolwed his tyranny to fester. We have seen no end to exhonerations from doing the right thing. We have seen no end of excuses for denying the moral and virtuous act. The introduction of partisan hackery and blind hate has done its toll on the American people.
 
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CurrentAffairs said:
This guy wasn't a cameraman. This is not the official videotaping of the hanging. The official tape will never be seen, I'm quite sure. But at least this cell-phone video is enough to keep all of the conspiracy nuts at bay. It happened.
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Except it isn't. If the official tape isn't aired and all we have to go on is that crap burger of a video, then the conspiracy nuts will have a field day.
 
Navy Pride said:
How about all your leaders, Kerry, Murtha, Durbin and Kennedy............They have total disdain and hatred for our military and they are your Gods........
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What utter nonsense, the Democrats have had more men in uniform, more decorated veterans and more war heroes than the republicans can ever hope to have. Do some research before you go off with stupid insults. You are one bitter old man. I am old but if i were as bitter as you I'd probably be on Prozac or kill myself. You call this trash talk "patriotism" ? I call it slander just short of treason.
 
His death isn't something we should celebrate. Let Iraqis, Kuwaitis, Iranians, and Israelis do that. Saddam's reign was history the moment the White House chose to take the next step in this war to Iraq. For Americans, we should focus on the human factor inside Iraq and beyond. We should focus on what has always been the threat. Saddam Hussein, Bin Ladden, 9/11, Cole bombing, religious terror, dictatorship...these are all symptoms of social, religious, and cultural failure. The disease is Radical Islam and this region. The basic factors that need dealt with are..

-****"House of Saud"****
-Ahmenadejad and his religious bitter old Mullahs
-Syria's Baathist Party
-Hamas
-Hezbollah
-Sudan
-And shortly, we can add Somalia and Ehtiopia that list.

All of these things and the situations within these places are determined to breed the hate and misery that evolves into religious terrorism. Chasing down terrorist and their organizations as they reveal themselves is the immediate fix, but unless the region from where they spawn is addressed the threat to America will increase as it has been doing for three decades. Aside from the partisan foolishness, the Administration's ineptness, and the wishes of the Global Left, this is what Iraq was about.

For too long we have forgotten our roots and our role on this earth. During the Cold War, we twisted our values into something unrecognizable by accepting Europe's legacy of keeping "stability." Today, we have re-capture what we stand for. We should fight for the little people under the abusive tyrants that give us that "stability." The 20th century was one of technology and ideology. The 21st century, whether people in the White House or the Global Left house wants it, will be one of the human soul. We will no longer be involved in "Cold Wars" against the Soviet military. We will rarely see an enemy uniform. Our enemies will be those who were dismissed and forgotten by progress and who seek superstition and religion to explain away his misfortunes. He will lash out and attack those more successful (some successes made on the back of his hard work) out of hate, rage, and jealousy. When Rumsfeld remarked that we "go to war with the Army we have not want we want," he was partially right, but didn't know it. Since the Kremlin fell, Washington and our hierarchy military in two branches (a third learned differently and acknowledged belatedly what the fourth did) have been determined to shape the military into a force that will fight the wars they want to fight and not what we are going to fight.

Much of the 21st century is going to be about the human soul and not about a satellite photo.
 
If Iraq's remaining Baathists and the Sunnis make him a martyr there will be hell to pay with our troops for some time to come. This is probably going to fuel the fires of hatred more than anything else. Of course we can all rejoice... we're not over there.
 




Not going to happen except for maybe in Tikrit, Maliki should level the town and then turn the security forces on the Shia militias combined with joint ops to take out the Sunni holdouts in Baghdad, and the U.S. on patrol in Al-Anbar with a 10,000 troop increase to pacify the province.
 
I think it will effect more than just Tikrit but it probably will have little effect in the South. But the area that it will effect is the oil bearing regions. The Brits will suffer a lot less than we will.

Leveling the area is heavy talk but not practical. It would bring reprisals as far away as possibly Deaborn Michigan. There is no good reason to give the extremists any chances to try to justify thier acts of violence.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
I'm p!ssed his neck broke that's bullshit I wanted to see that scum sucking SOB twitch!!!!
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You don't know what you you want, you just go along with whatever President Bush dictates to you.

If Bush gradually withdrew our troops (just in time for the 08 elections) you would go along with that.

If President Bush suddenly withdrew our troop (within the next 6 months), stating that it was time to leave Iraq to fend for itself, YOU, would, whole-heartedly support that plan too.

It's all about Bush to you dittoheads and what ever Bush declares you people praise!
 
Gunny, if you are saying that America's mission should be to defend freedom, whether against tyrants or any religion or culture that undermines free agency, I can see that. If it is to force materialism and abolishment of cultures, to Americanize the world, then I would probably be against it.
 
Goobieman said:
So... you -did- vote for that liar, Joihn Edwards.
And if he's the candidate in 2008 you'll vote for him again.

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You're all huff, no puff.
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Awwww shame shame Goobieman, But now I have three 3 choices Goobieman. I have Hillary, Obama, John Edwards to campaign for,and I would vote for the three if I could. As Political Activist I must help to pick the rights candidates for the white house. However I know that it would be inpossible for all three to win,but it would not be a bad idea if one was Pres or VP,and the other one was Secretary of State.

Now I must comment on the subject line. The USA still had a major role in Saddam's death, due to the fact the our forces was the ones who captured him, and we held him until the Iraqi government hung their ex leader.

Thank you Inuyasha, 26 x and Adrain for your post, and how you two broke it down so that a 2 year old could understand the facts. My My look at these Republicians justifying the bullshit, and of course there is always a oddball to add his bullshit to the fire.
 


Well then I guess I'm not a big fan of Saddam Hussein, I'm glad he's dead, glad I tell you!!! And if we pulled out our troops today and moved them to Kuwait we wouldn't have to wait but two weeks till you Darfur protesting lefties would be chanting stop the genocide in Iraq.
 


Glad?

Glad in the sense that you have some bit of political-morsel to chew on and that's about all for now.

You plainly see that we are losing the war, you read that our troops are dying daily in Iraq, you can sense that the majority of Iraqi's want us out of Iraq come hell or highwater and by now, you probably feel that invading Iraq was truly a deadly and major mistake, of course you won't admit to those feelings, in fact you deeply suppress those unwanted feelings.

Am I right? Of course I'm right.

So, go forth, cheer on Saddams execution for now, you see, in a few days, reality will set in and you will once again become bitter!
 


I also have the unpleasent feeling that in a few days reality will set in and we are not going to like that reality one little bit.
 
KidRocks said:
Glad?

Glad in the sense that you have some bit of political-morsel to chew on and that's about all for now.
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No glad in the "ding dong the witch is dead," sense.

But yes I'm gleeful.


You plainly see that we are losing the war,
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You wish you Jihadist propagandist.
 
The best that can be said is that the Iraq war is at a stalemate. Afghanistan isn't exactly the conquest of "fortress Europe" either.
 
The latest. We'll see what happens later this week.

There was no sign of a feared Sunni uprising in retaliation for Saddam's hanging, and the bloodshed on Saturday was not far off the daily average — 92 from bombings and death squads. Also Saturday, a roadside bomb killed one American soldier and wounded two in Baghdad, the U.S. military said Sunday. At least 2,999 U.S. service members have been killed since the war began in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
At Saddam's funeral, dozens of relatives and others, some of them crying and moaning, attended the interment shortly before dawn in Ouja. A few knelt before his flag-draped grave. A large framed photograph of Saddam was propped up on a chair nearby.
"I condemn the way he was executed and I consider it a crime," said 45-year-old Salam Hassan al-Nasseri, one of Saddam's clansmen who attended the interment in the village just outside Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad. Some 2,000 Iraqis traveled to the village as well.
Mohammed Natiq, a 24-year-old college student, said "the path of Arab nationalism must inevitably be paved with blood."
"God has decided that Saddam Hussein should have such an end, but his march and the course which he followed will not end," Natiq said.
Hundreds flock to see Saddam's gravesite - Yahoo! News
 

Just a side note, but what's the problem with Ethiopia? To the best of my knowledge, I thought they were working on our behalf in Somalia.
 

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride
How about all your leaders, Kerry, Murtha, Durbin and Kennedy............They have total disdain and hatred for our military and they are your Gods........
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Instead of smoke screens why don't you respond to my comments about your leaders who have proven over and over again that they have total disdain for our military?

Kerry our military are the terrorists.....Our military is dumb

Murtha our military are murderers

Durbin Our troops in GITMO are like the Russian Gulag....

Kennedy Our military in Iraq are the problem not the solution.......

Get a ****ing clue........
 
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