Iraqi Court: Execute Saddam within 30 days

[Goobieman]

On another note. Even though this would have been the outcome of any trial involving Saddam. Has anybody thought about what will actually happen right after? Will Iraq Implode? Explode? How much is violence going to escalate? Will we need more troops? He should be executed after we've calculated every possible consequence this will have and have taken the necesary precautions to stop any new rebelions within Iraq. Thats what I love about modern day neo-cons. They only think 10 meters ahead when they drive they dont see the walls that might be 40 meters away.

Pardon me while I hit one out of the park.

Has anybody thought about what will actually happen right after we leave Iraq? Will Iraq Implode? Explode? How much is violence going to escalate? Will we need to send troops back in? We should remove troops after we've calculated every possible consequence this will have and have taken the necesary precautions to stop any new rebelions within Iraq. Thats what I love about modern day liberals - they only think 10 meters ahead when they drive they dont see the walls that might be 40 meters away.

 

[Hatuey]

Pardon me while I hit one out of the park.

Has anybody thought about what will actually happen right after we leave Iraq? Will Iraq Implode? Explode? How much is violence going to escalate? Will we need to send troops back in? We should remove troops after we've calculated every possible consequence this will have and have taken the necesary precautions to stop any new rebelions within Iraq. Thats what I love about modern day liberals - they only think 10 meters ahead when they drive they dont see the walls that might be 40 meters away.

Iraq will implode/explode regardless of wether we leave or not. It's what happens whenever we leave a country that isn't all too hyped about democracy from the start. Look at Somalia. Mohammed Aidid fell(and it wasn't even us that took him down) and what happened less then a year after? They'll all turned on eachother and the world will blame us for it.

Iraq is another Somalia in the works. Insurgency leaders(Iraqs version of Somalia's warlords) are going to put their weapons down for a short time for a truce and then disagreements will arise and as soon as the last U.S. plane leaves. The goverment wont be able to hold the truce together. Anarchy will reign and Baghdad will become Iraq's Mogadishu and sadly there is nothing we can do about it. It's already starting to happen. This ridiculous idea that we have that splitting Iraq in 3 will help anything all it'll do is make each side want to gain more land from eachother.

Trying to promote democracy with the barrel of a gun is as acceptable in todays world as impossing Islam with the edge of a sword. People will always resist it. It's what people dont understand. Democracy doesn't work unless people want it to work. Iraq is a failed experiment in democracy. The second we leave be it today or 10 years from now. The goverment will turn on itself because of religions/territorial differences and it'll eat itself out or establish a new Saddam-like regime regardless of how much we tell them that democracy is good for them. It is the way of 3rd world nations.

 

[Goobieman]

Iraq will implode/explode regardless of wether we leave or not. It's what happens whenever we leave a country that isn't all too hyped about democracy from the start. Look at Somalia. Mohammed Aidid fell(and it wasn't even us that took him down) and what happened less then a year after? They'll all turned on eachother and the world will blame us for it.

Iraq is another Somalia in the works. Insurgency leaders(Iraqs version of Somalia's warlords) are going to put their weapons down for a short time for a truce and then disagreements will arise and as soon as the last U.S. plane leaves. The goverment wont be able to hold the truce together. Anarchy will reign and Baghdad will become Iraq's Mogadishu.

:roll:

So much for the idea of waiting to do something until after we've calculated every possible consequence it will have and have taken the necesary precautions to stop any new rebelions within Iraq.

 

[Hatuey]

:roll:

So much for the idea of waiting to do something until after we've calculated every possible consequence it will have and have taken the necesary precautions to stop any new rebelions within Iraq.

It's already been calculated. Here are all the players.

- An insurgency.
- A goverment that can't agree on the color of their shoes.
- Different religious groups with different religious agendas.
- An operation to establish some kind of stability in the country.
- An international coalition of nations working together(soon to be just U.S. did you hear? The English/Polish are leaving.)

We've already established a weak goverment with little control of the actual situation.

That only leaves - The coalition of nations leaving(which has already started). The goverment turning on itself because of religious differences and then using their respective militant groups to wage war on eachother with decent Iraqis stuck in the middle.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

The truth is the banner was the brainchild of the White House, everyone knows that except for you dittoheads in denial, the White House admitted as much, the White House paid for the banner, so quit yer lying!

The truth is that the White House was even caught doctoring by removing their "Mission Accomplished" video from videos of Bush in May of 2003.

Interesting. I provided evidence for my post. You?

 

[Goobieman]

It's already been calculated. Here are all the players.
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You forgot the other part of your standard - take the necesary precautions to stop any new rebelions within Iraq. So...?

 

[Hatuey]

You forgot the other part of your standard - take the necesary precautions to stop any new rebelions within Iraq. So...?

I though that was obvious Goobie. Wouldn't training the Iraqi army be taking the necessary precautions? As soon as we leave Iraq the insurgency/goverment will turn on eachother and the soldiers caught in the middle they'll defect to whichever side offers the most security. They're already doing it.

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source for the Middle East

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq army 'intimidated by rebels'

 

[Goobieman]

I though that was obvious Goobie. Wouldn't training the Iraqi army be taking the necessary precautions? As soon as we leave they'll defect. They're already doing it.

Knowingly or not, you have already described why its not necessary to worry about the effect Saddam's execution will have -- according to you, the calculations have already been made and that the precautions have already been taken.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Knowingly or not, you have already described why its not necessary to worry about the effect Saddam's execution will have -- according to you, the calculations have already been made and that the precautions have already been taken.

Good point. Hey Hatuey, where can the rest of us get a crystal ball like yours?

 

[Hatuey]

Knowingly or not, you have already described why its not necessary to worry about the effect Saddam's execution will have -- according to you, the calculations have already been made and that the precautions have already been taken.

Training Iraqi troops would be the precautions taken to support Iraq after we leave. Thinking they're ready now is foolish. Saddam is going to be executed in a few weeks. How many Iraqi troops are ready to fight the insurgency? What would the casualties for them be like?

Iraqi army not ready to defend Fallujah - Boston.com

Experts Say Iraqi Forces Not Ready

Good point. Hey Hatuey, where can the rest of us get a crystal ball like yours?

Wal-mart. And it's not a cristal ball. Magic 8 ball. Works alot better then the people Bush hired to assess the war.

The insurgency is in it's last throes right?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Magic 8 ball.

I have no doubt this is how you arrive at your opinions.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

The insurgency is in it's last throes right?

Tell us something. What is it about you Bush haters that try and make something like this stick? It's pointless. This was said when it was believed to be true. Turns out it wasn't accurate. So what? Has there not ever been something miscalculated in a war before? Your hate is so far out in front of reality, it makes you look silly.

 

[Goobieman]

Training Iraqi troops would be the precautions taken to support Iraq after we leave. Thinking they're ready now is foolish. Saddam is going to be executed in a few weeks. How many Iraqi troops are ready to fight the insurgency? What would the casualties for them be like?

Squirm all you want -- you defeated your own argument, an argument made to do little else besides launch a partisan attack.

Can't help but laugh a little. :mrgreen:

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Squirm all you want -- you defeated your own argument, an argument made to do little else besides lauch a partisan attack.

Can't help but laugh a little. :mrgreen:

point

set

match

:lol:

 

[Hatuey]

Squirm all you want -- you defeated your own argument, an argument made to do little else besides launch a partisan attack.

Can't help but laugh a little. :mrgreen:

By saying we're training an army that is going to defect as soon as we leave? Yup. I guess I did.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

By saying we're training an army that is going to defect as soon as we leave? Yup. I guess I did.

How do you know this? Your continual ability to predict the future is amazing. Ah yes, the magic 8 ball.

 

[Hatuey]

How do you know this? Your continual ability to predict the future is amazing. Ah yes, the magic 8 ball.

It's already happening didnt you read the links? Iraqi soldiers are being intimidated by the insurgents and defecting.

 

[PoliticalActivist]

Tell us something. What is it about you Bush haters that try and make something like this stick? It's pointless. This was said when it was believed to be true. Turns out it wasn't accurate. So what? Has there not ever been something miscalculated in a war before? Your hate is so far out in front of reality, it makes you look silly.

First of ALL the Bush haters is no worse off then you Republician Clinton haters. You Repukes will never agree with anyone who dis-agrees with you,
However people do say things that they do not really mean, and Bush is one of them individuals. Another Damn mistake Bush made was when he thought that Iraq was just a conflict,but when it turned into a War Bush knew that he could not back down, and when the War went further then expected Bush knew he had made a mistake.

Everyone who was stupid enough to believe Bush's bullshit about WMD had losted their minds anyways. I can not explain why Kerry and Gore both believed Bush,but now I bet they realize that Bush made a 18 caret damn fool out of them both, and again anyone who believed Bush had drunk to much egg nob and 100 proof Jim Bean.

 

[Goobieman]

First of ALL the Bush haters is no worse off then you Republician Clinton haters.

Why do you people always bring up Clinton?

You Repukes will never agree with anyone who dis-agrees with you,

And this differs from you CommieLibs, because...?

 

[Hatuey]

Why do you people always bring up Clinton?

And this differs from you CommieLibs, because...?

It's an aquapub tactic. When speaking about Bush. Bring up Clinton.

I'm suprised nobody's blamed the goverments slow respone to Katrina on Clinton.

 

[WI Crippler]

I'm suprised nobody's blamed the goverments slow respone to Katrina on Clinton.

Thats because Clinton doesn't hate black people like Bush does, everyone knows that.

 

[Hatuey]

Thats because Clinton doesn't hate black people like Bush does, everyone knows that.

Bush hates black people? lol I think it's the other way around. Black people hate Bush.

 

[KidRocks]

Interesting. I provided evidence for my post. You?

CNN.com - White House pressed on 'mission accomplished' sign - Oct. 29, 2003

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- What was once viewed as a premier presidential photo op continues to dog President Bush six months after he landed on an aircraft carrier to declare "one victory" in the war on terrorism and an end to major combat operations in Iraq.

Attention turned Tuesday to a giant "Mission Accomplished" sign that stood behind Bush aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln when he gave the speech May 1

The president told reporters the sign was put up by the Navy, not the White House.

"I know it was attributed somehow to some ingenious advance man from my staff -- they weren't that ingenious, by the way," the president said Tuesday.

Now his statements are being parsed even further.

Navy and administration sources said that though the banner was the Navy's idea, the White House actually made it.

 

[WI Crippler]

Bush hates black people? lol I think it's the other way around. Black people hate Bush.

For whatever reason what you said ( I guess referencing Katrina ) reminded me of when that Kayne West guy said that on live TV and the look on Michael Myers face was priceless, as well as the quick cut to I believe it was Chris Tucker. Everybody was like, wtf???

 

[KidRocks]

Interesting. I provided evidence for my post. You?

CNN.com - White House pressed on 'mission accomplished' sign - Oct. 29, 2003

At the time, it appeared that every detail of the day's events had been carefully planned, including the president's arrival in the co-pilot's seat of a Navy S-3B Viking after making two flybys of the carrier.

The exterior of the four-seat S-3B Viking was marked with "Navy 1" and "George W. Bush Commander in Chief."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it.

"We took care of the production of it," McClellan said. "We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."