Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting

[gbg3]

LOL

Perfect video to demonstrate the same kind of dot connecting

 

[AGENT J]

Your position is that having fewer days to vote and less time on election day doesn't make voting harder?

I certainly can't argue with a position that is on it's face absurd. Obviously, the more time you have available to vote the easier it would be.

So, having less time would make it harder. I'm not really understanding how this is a debatable point...

you are right, having less time is harder, its not debatable unless one chooses fake outrage and ignorance
People claim its meaningless but for some reason, people put in the work to get this done, why not just leave it alone LMAO

 

[gbg3]

you are right, having less time is harder, its not debatable unless one chooses fake outrage and ignorance
People claim its meaningless but for some reason, people put in the work to get this done, why not just leave it alone LMAO

The election in 2020 was a chaotic mess in many a state. Numbers didn't match, huge batches of ballots were resent because a candidate was left off, counting took forever, ballots came in for days afterward, etc. All of this should be looked at and cleaned up and elected state legislatures have the job and responsibility of determining their election procedures. If they think it is reasonable to change 29 days to 20 or end election day one hour earlier so counting can begin, that's up to them. If the people of their state don't like their procedures, they can elect different state legislators.

 

[AGENT J]

1.) The election in 2020 was a chaotic mess in many a state. Numbers didn't match, huge batches of ballots were resent because a candidate was left off, counting took forever, ballots came in for days afterward, etc.
3.) All of this should be looked at and cleaned up and elected state legislatures have the job and responsibility of determining their election procedures.
4.) If they think it is reasonable to change 29 days to 20 or end election day one hour earlier so counting can begin, that's up to them. If the people of their state don't like their procedures, they can elect different state legislators.

1.) yes because of covid and more people voting than ever
2.) more reason NOT to shorten it
3.) they do and shortening is the opposite of what needs done
4.) who said it wasn't doesn't mean its not stupid

thanks for that post but nothing you posted changes anything or impacts my post in anyway

 

[Callen]

. If the people of their state don't like their procedures, they can elect different state legislators

Except the Republicans are throwing up enough roadblocks to voting to ensure they are re-elected. That is the point of all this. They know they can't win unless they suppress the vote. Election integrity is not their goal, retaining power is.

 

[gbg3]

Except the Republicans are throwing up enough roadblocks to voting to ensure they are re-elected. That is the point of all this. They know they can't win unless they suppress the vote. Election integrity is not their goal, retaining power is.

Many a Republican feels as if Dems might have (never investigated) or did commit enough fraud to ensure they won the presidency and that is the biggest point in so many state legislatures taking their election procedures VERY seriously before the next election. Republicans feel they can never win in elections with numerous doors wide open to fraud and I and millions and millions of other conservatives feel 2020 had so dang many of those doors open (purposely) that just about anything and everything could have fraudulently impacted that election - and might have! If conservatives felt the 2020 election was fair, they likely wouldn't be making a close look at their election procedures a high priority. But, they don't think that election had integrity and thus, they are doing their job and thank God for that. Don't worry, those so called roadblocks will apply equally to every voter. There will be no laws passed based on skin color, income level, or anything like that. ALL legal citizens will be allowed to vote (once) and will have plenty of time and opportunity to do so. And, hopefully if those legislators do a good job, no or very, very few illegal votes will be placed and all counting will be a match to all votes legally placed.

 

[Callen]

Many a Republican feels as if Dems might have (never investigated) or did commit enough fraud to ensure they won the presidency and that is the biggest point in so many state legislatures taking their election procedures VERY seriously before the next election.

Believe what you will but it is very hard for thinking people to believe that the Georgia officials who have repeatedly said the elections were free and fair are proposing all these voting laws to make them free and fair! It also was not Dems who would not investigate it was Republicans. Hawley and Cruz could have easily launched investigations before losing power but they did not. They didn't because they knew that no significant fraud would be found and it would blow the big lie out of the water.

Sadly this is the only way Republicans think they can win and they are probably right.

 

[Visbek]

Many a Republican feels as if Dems might have (never investigated) or did commit enough fraud to ensure they won the presidency and that is the biggest point in so many state legislatures taking their election procedures VERY seriously before the next election. Republicans feel they can never win in elections with numerous doors wide open to fraud....

Those Republicans are completely and utterly full of shit.

Sorry to be blunt, but it's true. The most obvious examples are how Trump won in 2016; how House Republicans picked up seats in 2020; how Republicans routinely win and dominate in numerous states; and how there is, yeah, no evidence whatsoever of widespread fraud.

Not a single email.

Not a single text message.

Not a single person, in the know, getting drunk in a bar and blabbing.

No evidence whatsoever of duplicate absentee ballots.

No explanation for national coordination without anyone knowing it.

Not a single Republican election official finding evidence.

Not a single fraud claim that survives basic scrutiny.

Tons of inconsistent, incoherent, conspiratorial claims about fraud, almost all of which are flat-out lies or, at best, people who have no clue how the elections actually operate.

All of that, times ten, for Iowa -- where Trump won by 8%, Ernst won by 7%, Republicans picked up 1 House seat, the state senate remained 32 R and 18 D, and Republicans picked up 6 state House seats for a 59-41 advantage. What "fraud" was there in Iowa?

Nor is this new. Republicans have spent nearly 20 years blathering about fraud, while apparently incapable of stopping it -- even in states where Republicans have dominated for decades.

There is no fraud. The reality is that Trump lost the 2020 election, and Republicans are losing popularity as they continue to double down on the shrinking white and rural voters. Y'all just can't handle it.

 

[Chomsky]

LOL I need stronger glasses. Read 'if' for 'it'
How does one increase font size on one of these damned tablets?

No probs, Mary - We're good!

 

[Craig234]

20 instead of 29 days and closing an hour earlier on election day is making voting difficult and discouraging? Come on, man! Anyone who has any interest in voting can certainly manage to pull it off in 20 days or manage to actually request an absentee ballot if they be out of town for that entire time. I just don't see the difficult and discouraging aspect of these oh so dramatic measures

I don't suppose a right-wing partisan would leave out important parts of the changes to try to misrepresent the issue? Oh wait, yes, they would.

"The bill additionally places new restrictions on absentee voting including banning officials from sending applications without a voter first requesting one and requiring ballots be received by the county before polls close on Election Day."

These elections are often close, and just a small shift in the votes can change the results, and that's what they're aiming for. 1% or 2% can be critical.

So prohibiting sending applications other than by request will have a reduction in votes. The large number of people who mail their ballots close to election day that arrive a day or two after the election day will now not have their votes count. These are all about the shifts that will help them win these close elections, but they think they can get away with under the law.

Republicans who want to support that stealing of elections argue with a straw man, that if they aren't totally shutting down the elections it's no big deal. Biden reported won by 43,000 in the right places. The Georgia Senate races were decided by extremely close margins. That's what they are targeting.

 

[Craig234]

what makes anyone believe the governor or her party are republicans ......try right wing fascists

Remind me what the difference is today?

 

[gbg3]

"The bill additionally places new restrictions on absentee voting including banning officials from sending applications without a voter first requesting one and requiring ballots be received by the county before polls close on Election Day."

Yes, and IMO, this is far and away the most important part of the bill and the part geared toward reducing potential fraud.

 

[Callen]

important part of the bill and the part geared toward reducing potential fraud.

What is the other part geared towards? What happened in Iowa that requires any of this?

 

[Craig234]

Yes, and IMO, this is far and away the most important part of the bill and the part geared toward reducing potential fraud.

It's important - as blocking legitimate voters to steal elections. There is no fraud, you are repeating a lie used to steal elections. That makes you an enemy of democracy and a supporter of voter suppression.

 

[gbg3]

What is the other part geared towards? What happened in Iowa that requires any of this?

If I was an elected state legislator in Iowa, I'd know all about the meetings and discussions that led to their new election laws, but I'm not. I could take a wild guess that closing on hour earlier allows counting to begin at a more reasonable time and 20 days might have seemed reasonable due to the crowds (or lack there of) in 2020 and previous elections (I don't even know how many days or what Iowa early voting rules were in effect in 2016, 2012, 2008, and before - do you know?). If they went through 29 days and lines were very manageable to non-existent, maybe they felt 20 days was plenty and staffing/paying for 29 days was overkill. But you'd have to contact them with questions about their specific decision making. Who knows, maybe they'd get right back to a Canadian wondering about the specifics of Iowa voting discussions among Iowa legislators
Off topic but have you contacted Trudeau and company as to why they messed up the vaccine situation so very badly? Somehow, I'd think that might be of greater importance to you than Iowa legislature decisions - especially since you didn't play any part in electing them or any member of any U.S. state legislature. I got my second vaccine today. When is yours scheduled for (your first or second)? You seem to be uninterested in the several vaccine threads - but that may be because Canada has vaccinated so very few.
In any case, don't worry about Iowa's elections. They'll be fine and every legal voter who feels motivated to vote will have plenty of opportunity to do so. Voting in Iowa will be far, far easier than getting a vaccine in Canada. But you might recall, I was a big fan of Operation Warp Speed in the U.S.

 

[gbg3]

There is no fraud, you are repeating a lie used to steal elections.

Actually, it's you who is repeating a narrative and hoping it sticks, but millions and millions of Americans still think that election was a chaotic mess full of fraud opportunities - despite how many times you keep saying "no fraud" and "a lie". So, your repetition isn't successfully changing opinions.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Indeed. That is the GOP plan.

Disenfranchise as many American voters - especially American voters of color - as possible by passing modern versions of Jim Crow voting laws.

Thats it....make it about skin color. *sigh*

-smh-

 

[CaughtInThe]

Cheaters gonna cheat.

 

[Craig234]

Actually, it's you who is repeating a narrative and hoping it sticks, but millions and millions of Americans still think that election was a chaotic mess full of fraud opportunities - despite how many times you keep saying "no fraud" and "a lie". So, your repetition isn't successfully changing opinions.

Actually, it's you who is repeating the lie that the election was 'a chaotic mess' and fraudulent. But, that lie is wrongly fooling millions of gullible Americans. It doesn't matter whether it's 1 person or 100 million, it's still a lie. And you are supporting and repeating the lie.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Actually, it's you who is repeating a narrative and hoping it sticks, but millions and millions of Americans still think that election was a chaotic mess full of fraud opportunities - despite how many times you keep saying "no fraud" and "a lie". So, your repetition isn't successfully changing opinions.

Millions and millions of Americans believe in angels. LOL. So what?
Millions believe that crooked donnie trump was a good "leader".
Consensus among Americans doesn't really mean much as far as lending credibility to anything. IMO.

 

[JerryW]

but millions and millions of Americans still think that election was a chaotic mess full of fraud opportunities -

Even though no impactful fraud was found in countless reviews and examinations, this *thinking* continues.

If a large number of Americans really truly believe in-person voting is the most reliable then why aren't they working to make it a national holiday so everyone has a greater opportunity? Why are they working to remove or at least reduce the barriers?

 

[gbg3]

Even though no impactful fraud was found in countless reviews and examinations, this *thinking* continues.

If a large number of Americans really truly believe in-person voting is the most reliable then why aren't they working to make it a national holiday so everyone has a greater opportunity? Why are they working to remove or at least reduce the barriers?

I'd totally be in favor of a single, in person (only) voting day and making it a national holiday. Frankly, that would be the absolute best and ideal scenario IMO. There would be a need for absentee voting but I wish it were in only a very few and very provable cases (proof of disability, military out of the country, honest and provable age and health related reasons, and provable travel plans). Pair this in person voting national holiday with strict voter ID laws and we could actually have a very secure election.

 

[Callen]

A national holiday is a great idea but it doesn't fix huge lineups and the fact a significantly large number of people would not get the day off. A good solution might be limited early voting, many, many more polling stations and voter ID, not a special ID but regular ID. However, there will never be free and fair elections in the States as long as the rules are set by political parties.

 

[Chomsky]

No one wants to hinder legal voting. There are reasons why one wants a wide open system with no fraud safeguards in place and they're not ethical reasons!

Agreed, of course. But your claim is a strawman argument. The article's title & body speaks to limiting days & hours of voting. Which by it's very definition is 'hindering' voting.

 

[Chomsky]

There was a tremendous lack of confidence in the integrity of the 2020 election. Not a few, but a huge number of people questioning the election process. Anything that can be done to restore everyone's confidence in voter integrity is useful. Absentee ballots should only be obtained by request with all documentation necessary to ascertain citizenship and careful signature checking once returned. Whether or not fraud did occurred in 2020, the fraud door was wide open and HR-1 is nothing but a bill to legalize fraud. This is the United States and that is not an okay situation in this country. Nothing about these changes prevents anyone from any party or anyone of any color from being legally able to cast their vote with a minimum of effort. EVERY motivated legal voter who has the desire and interest in voting will have that opportunity. It's disgusting that Dems play this "racist" narrative over simple and useful election integrity measures and it's disgusting that Dems actually want plenty of fraud doors left wide open.

This bolded a Trumpian (GOP) charade. The reason a subset of citizens are questioning the election, virtually all of them Republicans, is because Trump propagated this falsehood. This was the most monitored, examined, and litigated election in history. The results were amazingly cohesive & corroborative. The bolded claim is, 'the tail wagging the dog'.