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Being entirely imaginary, the "laffer curve" can bend to suit whatever the user requires of it.
Ezra Klein - Where does the Laffer curve bend?
Ezra Klein asks several people all over the political map where they think the optimal point of the laffer curve is. The answers are all over the map it seems, but the interesting thing is that nobody really seems to know.
The average point of those surveyed seems to be 47.9286%
Really? It's imaginary? So revenue continues to go up even as the tax rate approaches 100%?
Would revenue continue to go up even as the tax rate approaches 0%?
It's definately not imaginary, but I think there are actually different Laffer Curves for different types of income and different income brackets. Reducing taxes on certain types of income or income brackets may increase revenues very significantly while reducing tax on other types of income or income brackets my actually lower tax revenues.
The way that "Reagan Conservatives" like to believe that the Laffer Curve works was disproven during the Reagan administration. But I still think that there is some merit to it.
How was it disproven?
Really? It's imaginary? So revenue continues to go up even as the tax rate approaches 100%?
Anyone want to prove how we can determine pareto efficiency on the laffer curve?
Yeah. Not going to happen.
Considering that in the best circumstances pareto efficiency rates are, at best, well meaning conjecture and at worst embarrassingly subjective; I don't think that any economic model is the worse for lacking it.
There's absolutely no way to know where that optimal point is. Better to steer on the low side of that point so that at least you'll have growth rather than taxing too much where you stifle it.
Would revenue continue to go up even as the tax rate approaches 0%?
A key problem with the Laffer curve is that it is impossible to know just where you are on the curve at any specific point in time. Are we on the left side, between 0 and the max? Or are we on the right side, between the max and 0? How do you know? The typical presentation by proponents assume that we are currently somewhere on the left side of the curve, between zero and the max, but that assumption is, as economists are fond of saying, rather heroic.
Moreover, a key assumption when considering the Laffer curve is the (in)famous ceteris paribas, or 'all else being equal.' In the non-theory real world, all else is never entirely equal. Key among other influences are expectations and opportunity cost. Expectations about permanence vs temporary nature of change in tax rates would likely modify behavior. Furthermore, if opportunities for investment of any newly-available funds were felt to be non-existent or minimal or unappealing for whatever reasons, there could be less enthusiasm and effectiveness for a proposed reduction. That is, high taxes on returns to capital might reduce the incentives for investment of funds freed up by lower tax rates on incomes, thereby reducing the net result to something less than desired or targeted.
As a tool to illustrate concepts and promote discussion about policy, the Laffer curve is great. But to rely on it for policy decisions is worse than just silly.
I think the real problem with the Laffer Curve is the claim that tax cuts pay for themselves. If we can't find evidence or agree, then is it fair to discredit the curve entirely or should we assume that if we cut taxes and they are not paying for themselves (drop in gov. revenue), then were're on the left side of the curve?
I think the real problem with the Laffer Curve is the claim that tax cuts pay for themselves. If we can't find evidence or agree, then is it fair to discredit the curve entirely or should we assume that if we cut taxes and they are not paying for themselves (drop in gov. revenue), then were're on the left side of the curve?
As a tool of hard economic policy it is functionally imaginary.
It would be foolish to completely ignore its existence though, and pretend that revenue continues to increase as the rate approaches 100%. Just because it is impossible to know what it looks like and where it bends doesn't make the concept itself completely useless.
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