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Intelligent Design Confirms a Creator...

ASHES said:
No it isn't. It's a lie to disguise creationism so it could be taught in public schools after teaching creationism was ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

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The BIG LIE is that science is ALL ABOUT ONLY secular reasoning. Nothing could be further from the truth. Anyone can have an "inspired" idea and attempt through experimentation to seek cause and affect. The phonograph is a perfect example. Do we really need to record sound? We didn't for thousands of years. Someone gets it in his head that sound could be recorded. Edouard-Leon Scott de Martinville invented a machine called a "phonautograph," which worked by tracing sound waves onto paper blackened by smoke. And voila, recorded sound was proved possible.

But now, what good is it? One can see the sound waves and how sound moves, but so what? It was Edison who designed a machine that could both record and play back that sound. But the point is that science isn't just random willy-nilly. It is about thinking of something and following through, and applying trial and error. A person has an idea for whatever reason and creates a controlled experiment to see if what he imagines is as he imagined it.

There is nothing wrong considering the likelihood of design throughout nature nor that there is a possibility of intelligence behind it. And people can insist that such isn't true, that doesn't mean that their right.
 
LittleNipper said:
The BIG LIE is that science is ALL ABOUT ONLY secular reasoning. Nothing could be further from the truth. Anyone can have an "inspired" idea and attempt through experimentation to seek cause and affect. The phonograph is a perfect example. Do we really need to record sound? We didn't for thousands of years. Someone gets it in his head that sound could be recorded. Edouard-Leon Scott de Martinville invented a machine called a "phonautograph," which worked by tracing sound waves onto paper blackened by smoke. And voila, recorded sound was proved possible.

But now, what good is it? One can see the sound waves and how sound moves, but so what? It was Edison who designed a machine that could both record and play back that sound. But the point is that science isn't just random willy-nilly. It is about thinking of something and following through, and applying trial and error. A person has an idea for whatever reason and creates a controlled experiment to see if what he imagines is as he imagined it.

There is nothing wrong considering the likelihood of design throughout nature nor that there is a possibility of intelligence behind it. And people can insist that such isn't true, that doesn't mean that their right.
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Not a word in response to what I said, which provided proof ID is a lie made up by creationists to sell their fairy tale on the public dime.
 
Gordy327 said:
No, it's all about the evidence to support a claim. ID/Creationism has none! THat's why science gives it no regard, and rightfully so. Thinking it's propaganda is just conspiracy level lunacy!
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If there is a design, that is all the proof that is needed. Science doesn't take any regard. Men like you do or do not. Science is merely a TOOL.
 
ASHES said:
Not a word in response to what I said, which provided proof ID is a lie made up by creationists to sell their fairy tale on the public dime.
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Prove that there is no design in nature.
 
LittleNipper said:
Prove that there is no design in nature.
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Prove there is. Saying there is design in nature, and I can't prove there isn't, is like an ancient Greek telling you Thor creates lightning, prove he doesn't. Even if you showed them exactly how lightning was made via natural processes, they'd still say Thor did it. That's you. You're like an ancient Greek. Only worse, because you have the ability to know better.
 
ASHES said:
Prove there is. Saying there is design in nature, and I can't prove there isn't, is like an ancient Greek telling you Thor creates lightning, prove he doesn't. Even if you showed them exactly how lightning was made via natural processes, they'd still say Thor did it. That's you. You're like an ancient Greek. Only worse, because you have the ability to know better.
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No, for thousands of years the saints have believed that GOD created the processes that brings about lightning.
 
LittleNipper said:
Prove that there is no design in nature.
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It depends on whether you are using the word as a noun or a verb. As a noun, I think that we can admit that we can see design on numerous aspects of nature. However, it does not immediately follow that (verb) it was designed by some sort of entity. Rather, the “design” that we see is simply the amazing nature of the universe at work.
 
LittleNipper said:
No, for thousands of years the saints have believed that GOD created the processes that brings about lightning.
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They can believe whatever, it's wrong. We used to use stone tools, but we moved past that because metal is better. The religious are the biggest hypocrites. Sitting there, using your science machine to trash science.
 
watsup said:
It depends on whether you are using the word as a noun or a verb. As a noun, I think that we can admit that we can see design on numerous aspects of nature. However, it does not immediately follow that (verb) it was designed by some sort of entity. Rather, the “design” that we see is simply the amazing nature of the universe at work.
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Nature is amazing because of GOD, and exhibits attributes surrounding GOD's nature.
 
LittleNipper said:
If there is a design, that is all the proof that is needed.
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Monumentally huge if and proof of what exactly?
LittleNipper said:
Science doesn't take any regard. Men like you do or do not.
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That's how science and I remain objective and unbiased.
LittleNipper said:
Science is merely a TOOL.
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Says someone ignorant (or hostile) of science. Science is a process and the tools science uses does not validate ID in any way.
LittleNipper said:
Nature is amazing because of GOD, and exhibits attributes surrounding GOD's nature.
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You have to first prove there's a god for that claim to be even remotely valid.
LittleNipper said:
No, for thousands of years the saints have believed that GOD created the processes that brings about lightning.
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Belief does not equal fact.
 
watsup said:
Occam’s Razor. You are adding an unneeded step by claiming an imaginary entity simply “created” it all.
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You have no idea what's needed to cause a universe that produces intelligent life. You assume mindless forces can. That's your story and you're stuck with it.
 
You haven't presented fact/evidence for theism.
I'll save you the effort, you haven't failed to provide it for lack of trying, it's just that there isn't any. An in principle, there cannot be any, since it's imaginary.
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Anyone not thoroughly indoctrinated will know my effort succeeded. Of course anyone debating against me is going to say otherwise. What non-imaginary forces or processes do you claim caused a universe that caused intelligent life to exist? Oh that's right your position is too weak to defend so you don't bother.
 
DrewPaul said:
Anyone not thoroughly indoctrinated will know my effort succeeded. Of course anyone debating against me is going to say otherwise. What non-imaginary forces or processes do you claim caused a universe that caused intelligent life to exist? Oh that's right your position is too weak to defend so you don't bother.
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Natural physical forces. You lose.
 
DrewPaul said:
You have no idea what's needed to cause a universe that produces intelligent life. You assume mindless forces can. That's your story and you're stuck with it.
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I see. And your going to stick with an imaginary entity. Sorry, I’ll take my “story” anytime over your fables.
 
DrewPaul said:
Anyone not thoroughly indoctrinated will know my effort succeeded. Of course anyone debating against me is going to say otherwise. What non-imaginary forces or processes do you claim caused a universe that caused intelligent life to exist? Oh that's right your position is too weak to defend so you don't bother.
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There is no position weaker than just making up an imaginary entity like you have done. Do you still believe in Santa Claus, too? And you first four words above could not apply more to you.
 
ASHES said:
Prove there is. Saying there is design in nature, and I can't prove there isn't, is like an ancient Greek telling you Thor creates lightning, prove he doesn't. Even if you showed them exactly how lightning was made via natural processes, they'd still say Thor did it. That's you. You're like an ancient Greek. Only worse, because you have the ability to know better.
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Exactly. That’s how we came to have unicorns, leprechauns, mermaids and yetis. Someone asserted that they existed therefore they were ‘designed and created’, but only as concepts.
 
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