Alas that would be impossible at the moment so your suggestion really just a wisecrack.Their country, their laws. Maybe if you want Saudi Arabia to support human rights you should stop buying their oil.
Or people wanting to make Israel adhere to the NPT when they had nukes before there was an NPT.The laws barring entry of non-Muslims have existed before the declaration of human rights, so that argument is not really valid to me. Kind of reminds me of "Christian scientists" who claim that the Bible contains scientific evidence, even though scripture pre-dates the rise of science.
And since No other religion has such giant 'sacred grounds' your disingenuous statement is really just endorsing Islam's.I'm okay with any religion having rules for its sacred ground.
And since No other religion has such giant 'sacred grounds' your disingenuous statement is really just endorsing One religion.
What is wrong with the image?
Mecca is not a tourist spot. Non Muslims have no need to enter it, it means nothing to them.
Alas that would be impossible at the moment so your suggestion really just a wisecrack.
Or people wanting to make Israel to the NPT when they had nukes before there was an NPT.
And since No other religion has such giant 'sacred grounds' your disingenuous statement is really just endorsing One religion.
It is plain weird to have a place, where only Muslims can go. Why exclude others... But, I am making the mistake again, of trying to see a point in religious practices. Most religious practices are a far cry from what their prophets taught. A central part of what the profit Mohammad taught was that all are equal and entitled to equality. One has to wonder what the point of religions are, when what the prophets taught is so widely ignored by their followers.
I think that allowing a sacred space to become a tourist attraction is considered a violation of the commitment to maintain it as sacred imo.
The more opulent the sacred place, the more blood that was spilled to pay for it. Those places should be made into human rights museums, out of respect for those who died for the sake of having them gold gilded, marble floored... etc. They should tell us the real story of how they came about. Without this suffering, they likely would not be spectacular enough to attract the usual camera wielding tourist, anyway, and those who really want to get in touch with their spiritual side would be left in peace and quiet to do so.
And those are often far from pleasant either with their signs about ladies not being allowed in, or ladies not being allowed near the main alter, or ladies who are menstruating are not allowed in because they are dirty... It is a disgusting brainwashing way to legitimise hate.Actually, now that I think about it, there have been many Buddhist places I visited in southeast Asia and Tibet where they do not allow you to enter their sacred temples and monasteries. So even the "peaceful religion" has its rules on sacred ground.
It's a discrimination based on religion, and hence is a violation of the universal declaration of human rights and the freedom of movement.
Though I do agree with you that it's not a big deal due to the fact that no one besides Muslims really cares about that place, and due to the fact that this is far from being the biggest human rights violation in Suadia.
If you've seen footage and images of mecca, the whole thing is one giant place of worship. Just because it is bigger doesn't mean it lacks the equivalent function of a smaller, sacred space.
The muslims should respect me as a women. .
And those are often far from pleasant either with their signs about ladies not being allowed in, or ladies not being allowed near the main alter, or ladies who are menstruating are not allowed in because they are dirty... It is a disgusting brainwashing way to legitimise hate.
You never know, perhaps one day Saudi Arabia will change its mind.
Even if they do, you wont be allowed to go there without a man, if you are a women under 30 years old. Saudi Arabia seems to think it is stepping into the modern world by lightening up its tourist laws, in the last year, but it is still nowhere near world standards of human rights. And, religion is frequently given as the excuse for this.
I understand the feminist viewpoint of religion but respectfully I do not think it is relevant to this particular thread. People are arguing that Mecca should be opened to tourism and failing to do so is some kind of international violation. Although I am sympathetic to what you are talking about, your arguments are hardly new. Women have had issues with male-dominated religion for most of recorded history and that is unlikely to change.
Sympathetic, my arse. You are dismissing womens issues completely, with light weight cliches such as ''women have issues''. You couldnt give a toss about human rights standards as far as I can see.
Well, your dismissive attitude is not respectful, so why include the word respectfully in your post. And, women are relevant to any discussion about religion, because religion is supposed to cater for the spiritual needs of all human beings.
IT IS AN INTERNATIONAL VIOLATION, IF GROUPS ARE EXCLUDED!! You dont see the point in inclusion of any non muslims, let alone women.
Sympathetic, my arse. You are dismissing womens issues completely, with light weight cliches such as ''women have issues''. You couldnt give a toss about human rights standards as far as I can see.
Oh just be quiet already with your whining about women's lib in Islam.
Stay on topic ... which is once again, MECCA.
Just don't engage. I've reported him/her.
I will say as much as I want. This is not Saudi Arabia.Oh just be quiet already
So, you are now a self proclimed expert, who is going to answer the questions? Do you have any questions yourself, to ask me? Probably not. Religious 'teachings' are not called dogma for no reason. Those who are heavily religious respect the religion by being dogmatic about it.Unless you have any questions about Hajj or Mecca?
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