Inherent Differences Between Men and Women

[Lisa]

Do you know how to argue?

Your reply was gibberish desperately attempting to look intelligent.

 

[CLAX1911]

Your reply was gibberish desperately attempting to look intelligent.

So no? You pretend to be illiterate to cover it up?

 

[Lisa]

So no? You pretend to be illiterate to cover it up?

I have 44,000 replies that prove I am not illiterate. You should read them.

I also have a STEM degree. How are your college classes coming along?

 

[CLAX1911]

I have 44,000 replies that prove I am not illiterate.

Well I did say you pretend to be. Try actually reading next time

You should read them.

I also have a STEM degree. How are your college classes coming along?

Then why are you so terrible at arguing where you have to make the morning excuse constantly that something is gibberish?

You should get a refund.

 

[Lisa]

Well I did say you pretend to be. Try actually reading next time

Obviously I did read it, 20-3 times to try to figure out the meaning of your gibberish.

Then why are you so terrible at arguing where you have to make the morning excuse constantly that something is gibberish?

I was sleeping when you posted that gibberish. That is kind of an important point.

You should get a refund.

More personal attacks. I was on Pell grants,.

 

[CLAX1911]

Obviously I did read it, 20-3 times to try to figure out the meaning of your gibberish.

You specifically didn't read where I said you pretend to be illiterate. Maybe it's not an act.

I was sleeping when you posted that gibberish. That is kind of an important point.

More personal attacks. I was on Pell grants,.

The nation should get a refund. You don't seem to be capable of comprehension.

 

[maquiscat]

There has been an overwhelming campaign to get women into the field. Everything from outreach programs in colleges to gender specific scholarships to Ad Council campaigns, to professional women engineering societies, and countless other well-intentioned programs all designed to get women interested in engineering. And it’s been going on for 40 years. Certainly enough to overcome any subtle social discouragement.

And there has been an overwhelming campaign to get blacks more into many areas, and yet we still have systemic discrimination against them. Simply because the effort is there, that doesn't mean that the overall attitudes have been overcome. Yes, there have been improvements, and more women than before are in these fields. It still doesn't mean that all that would want to be feel able to even consider them.

And there are huge differences in the percentage of women in each discipline. I provide this as evidence that women choose the path they want to follow. Almost half of biomedical engineers are women. I propose this is because the path appeals to them.

Women report at a higher rate than men that they want to make a difference from a humanitarian sense when they enter engineering and often find their work is removed by several degrees and become disenchanted.

And you may have something there. In which case there needs to be better reporting in noting that women are in such fields.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

There are no intellectual superiority between the sexes. Never has been.
When there are general areas requiring mental acuity where, one sex is consistently better than the other, that is going to be due to that sex having more interest in the subject than the other (participation).
Having said that, there are distinct differences in how men and women see the same situation. And those differences may give either one an advantage, generally speaking. But that isn't dependent on intellectual ability - rather it is instinctual driven differences.

 

[Lisa]

You specifically didn't read where I said you pretend to be illiterate. Maybe it's not an act.

The nation should get a refund. You don't seem to be capable of comprehension.

Your personal attacks, are noted. You still have no intelligent reply.

 

[blur]

And I have three engineering degrees and attended three engineering schools and have worked with and led engineers throughout my career. I’ve been involved in outreach programs to get HS students interested in technical careers.

Many of the engineering fields interests men more than women. There is likely an evolutionary component to it. But to claim that it’s because conservative families dissuade girls from pursuing it is full on horse shit.

I think the notion that it's "conservative families" dissuading girls a bit over-simplistic, but the reasoning is still likely societal and not biological. Despite women still being a minority in STEM, we have seen their presence increase over the decades. It was around 8% in the 70s, and 28% in 2023. Not a massive jump, but still worth exploring why that jump occurred to begin with.

The reality is, once upon time, women made up close to 0% in most professions (and the blame was often put on their biology), and societal change is what lead to that percentage increasing.

 

[Bighorn66]

I think the notion that it's "conservative families" dissuading girls a bit over-simplistic, but the reasoning is still likely societal and not biological. Despite women still being a minority in STEM, we have seen their presence increase over the decades. It was around 8% in the 70s, and 28% in 2023. Not a massive jump, but still worth exploring why that jump occurred to begin with.

The reality is, once upon time, women made up close to 0% in most professions (and the blame was often put on their biology), and societal change is what lead to that percentage increasing.

My observations and the data I have reviewed indicate that engineering schools struggle attracting US college students in general, especially from families whose parents are college educated. It is primarily a career path for foreign-born students, children of immigrants. and first generation college students. In essence, it is a gateway degree to a college educated household.

Part of this is that US popular culture doesn’t value engineering careers. There are plenty of television shows about doctors, lawyers, nurses, cops, paramedics, psychologists, psychiatrists, teachers, etc. But there have been very few about engineers. Popular culture has created the impression that those are the careers that make a difference in the world. And these are the images that are made in young, impressionable minds and help shape attitudes and aspirations.

Engineering has an uphill battle trying to attract students who have grown up in US culture.

 

[Allan]

Post 1 proves men aren't inherently more intelligent than women.

 

[CLAX1911]

Your personal attacks, are noted. You still have no intelligent reply.

All you can do is whine about errors if it came from anybody else it might have some impact.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Not saying you're wrong but the question of whether or not this was a societal phenomenon or biological one was what the video was about.

So I'm going to ask you how do you know there's not a biological component?

This seems to be a reality across a lot of cultures not just Western that women really don't compete in a higher levels of chess with men so it's hard to say that it's just traditional Christian families making this happen when we're talking about societies that don't live that way.

So it's just a guess?

Hi Glax,

Of course there is a biological component to it. We are not equal by design. There are many differences. Some more obvious than others. We should have equal rights. But if people think we claim equal rights because we actually are equal, well than you gonna be disappointed I think.

Joey.

 

[CLAX1911]

Hi Glax,

Of course there is a biological component to it. We are not equal by design. There are many differences. Some more obvious than others. We should have equal rights. But if people think we claim equal rights because we actually are equal, well than you gonna be disappointed I think.

Joey.

I try to avoid dogma and orthodoxy with regards to thoughts on this could it be biological sure could it be something else or several other things all contributing I'm not ready to rule that out.

Equality is more about the way you're viewed by the government with a state.

 

[Bodi]

Culture and traditions make it so that MUCH FEWER women enter fields of math and science.

What culture and traditions are those?


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[Bodi]

Your personal attacks, are noted.

That is pretty much all you do...

 

[Bodi]

The main barriers keeping women from entering science and math aren't external, but internal. The obstacles are self-imposed... like lack of confidence, personal interest, or individual choices... not caused by outside forces like discrimination or lack of opportunity.

 

[Lursa]

Exactly. So many fewer women focus on those things, due to social and cultural expectations, that there are fewer that develop the interest and skills/mental patterns, etc. Law of averages.

Why are there more women now, just as competitive with men in those fields? Because more women now have more opportunities and fewer societal, even physical (not being allowed), barriers.

Nah, already answered

The main barriers keeping women from entering science and math aren't external, but internal. The obstacles are self-imposed... like lack of confidence, personal interest, or individual choices... not caused by outside forces like discrimination or lack of opportunity.

 

[renee]

I got interested because of the video title, but chess is just the example he uses to enter the subject. Why aren't women as good at chess as men? What that leads to is the question, why aren't there more women at the highest level of math and science? There are a variety of theories. The two main ones are: a) lack of participation, and b) inherent differences in mental ability at the highest level. In other words, even though on average, women have the same mental abilities as men, there are more really brilliant men and more really stupid men. And then, does the same theory apply when it comes to professional sports and the dominance of African American athletes at the highest level?

The interesting question to me is, are the smartest men smarter than the smartest women, and are the dumbest men dumber than the dumbest women? In other words, even though men and women could be, on average, equally talented mentally, do men occupy more of the extremes of the bell curve?

Signed,
Sam, your humble Guardian of the Truth.

That will change.

Actually this is an interesting subject. As a society I think we should quit being hyper-focused about equality but rather celebrate the differences and make sure tasks are assigned to those best qualified to do them. Despite of the fact that IQ is just one number intelligence is not a one dimension thing. Skills and talents are essentially unlimited. it's a creative process to get people into what they're best able to do.

Sorry for being so late to this,but I just saw this title and it intrigued me
Girls have been socialized to not participate in these things. And boys have been socialized not to do anything girls do …like the worst insult you can give a boy is that he “acts like a girl” granted I’m probably older than most of you here, but I remember when cooking and sewing were only for girls, but all the other shops were for boys…. in my school where I taught I demanded that the shops be coed
In my prejudice awareness groups, I ask the women how many of them were tomboy and hands go up.. when I ask the men how many were the opposite no hands go up. We internalize messages.. chess is for males. My father would play chess with my brother, but he never did with me.
However, that is changing. Women were discouraged from being doctors and now medical schools are more than half female.. .. all this did not happen in a vacuum ..once you’re conscious is raised it is hard to go back.and women have fought for equality
The things that boys would never dream of years ago arenow common place, for example long hair earrings and neck, necklaces, etc.
I would love to share with you some of my” ponder, these” they are just what we are talking about. For example.,” why do they say women are too emotional ….ever go to a hockey game?

 

[renee]

The main barriers keeping women from entering science and math aren't external, but internal. The obstacles are self-imposed... like lack of confidence, personal interest, or individual choices... not caused by outside forces like discrimination or lack of opportunity.

And girls were discouraged. And boys were encouraged, and all that became internalized.

 

[renee]

And I have three engineering degrees and attended three engineering schools and have worked with and led engineers throughout my career. I’ve been involved in outreach programs to get HS students interested in technical careers.

Many of the engineering fields interests men more than women. There is likely an evolutionary component to it. But to claim that it’s because conservative families dissuade girls from pursuing it is full on horse shit.

It isn’t that they discourage girls from pursuing these careers, it’s that they don’t encourage them. Big difference.

 

[dairyair]

I got interested because of the video title, but chess is just the example he uses to enter the subject. Why aren't women as good at chess as men? What that leads to is the question, why aren't there more women at the highest level of math and science? There are a variety of theories. The two main ones are: a) lack of participation, and b) inherent differences in mental ability at the highest level. In other words, even though on average, women have the same mental abilities as men, there are more really brilliant men and more really stupid men. And then, does the same theory apply when it comes to professional sports and the dominance of African American athletes at the highest level?

The interesting question to me is, are the smartest men smarter than the smartest women, and are the dumbest men dumber than the dumbest women? In other words, even though men and women could be, on average, equally talented mentally, do men occupy more of the extremes of the bell curve?

Signed,
Sam, your humble Guardian of the Truth.

Is this trying to justify some kind of belief in the superiority of men over women?

Why not just use the typical, god created man to be the ruler of women and leave it at that? Wifey gets mad at that?

I see you're banned, so, I guess a response from the superior one, won't happen.

 

[dairyair]

The main barriers keeping women from entering science and math aren't external, but internal. The obstacles are self-imposed... like lack of confidence, personal interest, or individual choices... not caused by outside forces like discrimination or lack of opportunity.

What makes women so scared or uninterested?

Where did this kind of think originate from? Those seem rather silly assumptions.

Are those reasons blacks are far superior at picking cotton than white folks?
More confidence, personal interest, and choice?

Nothing at all to do with external forces.

 

[renee]

Hi Glax,

Of course there is a biological component to it. We are not equal by design. There are many differences. Some more obvious than others. We should have equal rights. But if people think we claim equal rights because we actually are equal, well than you gonna be disappointed I think.

Joey.

Equal does not mean the same. 10 pennies is equal to one dime, but yet they are different.