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The government can do a lot of things.... Doesn't mean they should.
Govt can regulate business. I know you don't like that but we don't live in the libertarian dictatorship
Do stores do have no guns permitted policies in the US?Real personal experience, not a leap. My boss allowed concealed carry at work, he sent me to a major store to use the company account to buy materials, and that store sent me out because an employee noticed my gun printing. Now you're saying I have some right to go somewhere else, but no, I don't. It's not my money I'm spending. By turning me out that supplier was harming my ability to work and my employer's ability to work.
And all over something which wasn't harming anyone.
Depends.
If they need to close the store for say a death in the family, no. If they refuse to serve someone because they have red hair, yes. Plain and simple, it's discrimination.
I don't see that as equivalent in any way. You actually have a choice - you can buy, or not buy those jeans. There is no possible way you can describe a harm from you making a choice to buy Wranglers versus Levis. You're able to choose to buy any brand of jeans. Anti-discrimination laws allow EVERYONE (as a general rule) to have those exact same choices.
This kind of discrimination is also just not comparable. They are permitted to have terms of service and they apply those terms to all their customers. The equivalent would be Paypal, and Visa and Mastercard and AMEX denying your business service because you're black or gay or Muslim, and effectively prohibiting you from doing business online. You're saying that kind of discrimination - acts that would deny you the ability to be in business - should be allowed. I disagree.
We're talking about business owners and their policies, not rather or not the business owners are gay.And yes, we are talking about being gay.
Right, and this thread is about company policies against gays, not the inner workings of a gay person's life.Gay customers are gay.
An elected legislature can trample a man's rights just as easily as a king can.Whether our govt should exercise its' power is decided through the political process which is democratic.
It was Arizona last year. This year it's Indiana.. On the national and state stage the Republicans have been fighting gay marriage for years. He's NOT doing what's best for the state! Many businesses already said they're gone or not doing business there anymore. The Republican Mayor of Indy already broke ranks with Pense because he knows it's going to costs his city millions. This is a political move by him to kiss up to the religious right.
We're talking about business owners and their policies, not rather or not the business owners are gay.
Right, and this thread is about company policies against gays, not the inner workings of a gay person's life.
Almost every employer in the US bans weapons, and some prohibit the public from having weapons; the enforcability of such policies against the public can very greatly depending on where you are.Do stores do have no guns permitted policies in the US?
I know when I was stationed in Zagreb MacDonalds did.
...andlets recap the facts
there are no laws forcing or compelling anybody to do business with gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
there is no right to service
there is no force to accept gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
there is no force to serve gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
Almost every employer in the US bans weapons, and some prohibit the public from having weapons; the enforcability of such policies against the public can very greatly depending on where you are.
I see you're ready to discuss discrimination policies. That's great. What do you have to say about Public Accommodation?Report me. Then report yourself for talking about concealed carry and guns in a thread about businesses serving gay people. Then go away.
They didn't parade around telling the whole world and demanding acceptance. There's your sign.
An elected legislature can trample a man's rights just as easily as a king can.
Legally, it not a right vs wrong dynamic, it's a can vs cannot dynamic. Any business can ask you to leave for any or no reason, what counts is how they answer to a judge in the resulting lawsuit. If they ask you to leave, you have to leave even if they're wrong, because if you refuse then you're wrong. What you do is then complain to their corporate headquarters, who will consider if your taking the story to the media is worth loosing your business. If they decide against you or if there is no corporate office, then you can file a complaint with the city and lawmakers will want the business to explain why they're denying the city the sales tax of the transaction. And if that doesn't work out then you can file a civil lawsuit for denying your right to Public Access.So was the company right, legally that is, in asking you to leave the premises?
Actually what they are saying is that if a customer wants to refuse a business transaction based upon the business owner's race, gender, creed, sexuality, etc then they may do so, but the business owner cannot do the same in return. Sounds like you favor discrimination in one direction but not the other.
Except business owners, apparently.
So one kind of discrimination is OK while another one is not. I don't find that acceptable. You can deny service to customer A but not customer B. sorry, it doesn't work for me.
Businesses have no right to hinder commerce unless a customer is harming the business. A free-flowing economy is the healthiest, which makes for a stronger nation. Keep your personal biases at home.A private business should not be forced to serve customers they don't want to serve. Exceptions should exist for medical services, or if there's no viable alternative for the customer. But if a business wants to not serve black people, they should have every right not to, just as everyone offended by that has every right not to shop at their store.
How can another man trample my rights?And so can other men
Have any more irrelevancies you care to share?
A private business should not be forced to serve customers they don't want to serve. Exceptions should exist for medical services, or if there's no viable alternative for the customer. But if a business wants to not serve black people, they should have every right not to, just as everyone offended by that has every right not to shop at their store.
I see you are okay with coercion and force.Businesses have no right to hinder commerce unless a customer is harming the business. A free-flowing economy is the healthiest, which makes for a stronger nation. Keep your personal biases at home.
1.) you wouldnt have broken any laws for refusing business so why would somebody force you out of business
See #12.) what you are describing isnt reality or happening
See #13.) i would agree IF that was happening but its not, you are free to say no with nothing happening
No, you can't say no. See #1. Your facts aren't facts, you just think they are.4.) i agree 100% it is a very simply concept thats why its confusing you cant grasp it. you can say no so your point is meaningless
facts win again
How can another man trample my rights?
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