Yep...and our goal should NOT be "**** YEAH!!! Im A SINNER!!! Whahoooo!!!! Ima ****in do this some MORE!!!"Every one among us a sinner. I am....you are....everyone is. It is due to our sins that we have the sacrifice of Christ. Again....you are attempting to pidgeonhole the man without understanding his teachings. If you want to have a conversation about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ...educate yourself and then get back to me. There is no question that Christ would find the actions of these bigots disgraceful. Sorry.
Doesn't make sense. If all he was doing was responding to lies....he wouldn't need to change the law now would he? The reality is....yes, he IS doing damage control because he didn't expect to incur the wrath of the American people. He is caught in the past where anti-gay politics were profitable for Republicans. You need look no further than the people surrounding him at the signing that the attacks were in fact VERY true and that he was caught lying about the incentive behind the bill and what the bill really did.
So....you have avoided the question thus far. Do you think Pence is a liar or just an idiot?
There has been no case in Indiana of discrimination based on sexual orientation.
I am asking him.
That said, what is your opinion on the matter?
That's what happens when you invite them to the PRIVATE SIGNING CEREMONY.
Ron Paul got a lot of grief from support from right wing hate groups. That was unfair - you can't pick your supporters. But if he had invited them to the stage in a speech, then he's embraced them and their views. Sorry but that's how it works.
And give me a break - Pence has a 100% or 0% rating on just about any issue involving rights for LGBT. We know he doesn't care a thing about protecting them, he opposes extending a statewide protection to them against discrimination, opposes SSM, supported a Constitutional amendment to prohibit SSM, supported DADT. He's got a record, and those supporting the bill are his buddies, his core supporters, and he's supported them with perfect records on issues important to him.
You're asking people to ignore this context. It's ridiculous.
That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.
OK, assuming that's true, then write what's already happening into the law like most of the states with a RFRA bill. Pretty simple solution. All those fears will disappear!
That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.
Why write an additional law for which there is no apparent need?
His record on LGBT issues was, until not so long ago, indistinguishable from Obama's.
That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.
Why write an additional law for which there is no apparent need?
Even if true, and I highly doubt it, "not so long ago" is irrelevant. Obama has supported some sweeping changes that have all been in favor of LGBT - revolutionary changes. It is a different era in 2015 and Pence seems to have missed the bus and is mired in the 1960s.
Because apparently liberals realize the laws aren't needed, but want them anyway. That is how unbelievably silly they are when it comes to this stuff.
LOL. He's buddies with anti-SSM/gay orgs. His voting record is 100% or 0% on the issues important to them, which include opposing any attempt to extend rights to gays, and a dedicated and vocal effort to oppose SSM. What you're saying is the LGBT community should trust him and the GOP.... I assume you're joking. If not it's still :lamo
Hmm didn't realize Obama was a part of the topic...
Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:
Don't bring facts into this discussion, humbolt. It just confuses people who have their minds made up. :shock:
The text of the laws is very close but the effect is completely different. Illinois has other laws that include LGBT as a protected class. Indiana does not. This means that, even if the text of the RFRA in Illinois and Indiana were exactly the same, businesses in Illinois could not refuse service to someone just because they are gay. In Indiana, they can and the people who wrote the law in Indiana knew that. That is what makes the "we didn't mean to discriminate against anyone" spin coming from Pence so disingenuous. The religious bigots in Indiana thought they could get away with this and they are stunned by the backlash. Now, they are going to lie about their intent.
Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:
Don't bring facts into this discussion, humbolt. It just confuses people who have their minds made up. :shock:
Yeah. Pence is discriminating because he's conservative. Obama wasn't because he's a liberal. Huge difference. Huge.
Sorry large number of posts to read.My position should be obvious to you after the last few days, but since you asked, my position is that everyone has the right to decide on who they will commence in commerce with. It is my position based on the facts of the situation that refusing someone service does not harm them, but simply does not give them the assistance that the goods or services that were refused could have provided. It is my position that the government has no constitutional authority to demand people provide each other their labor, provide someone service, give up their property for the benefit of someone else, associate with someone against their will, or to force them into contracts with other citizens.
Sorry large number of posts to read.
Does not harm them?
Creates an underclass of citizens does it not?
Could you please define no harm?
Yes, he would need to change the law because the lies were successful.
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