Inconsistency?

[Bodi]

Why does we need a fishing license for parks and such in the USA but not for surf or pier fishing?

California Beach Fishing

The Department of Fish and Wildlife manages California's diverse fish, wildlife, and plant resources, and the habitats upon which they depend, for their ecological values and for their use and enjoyment by the public.

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The coast is still US Waters for 20-200 miles depending on definition.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Parks tend to involve freshwater sources like lakes and streams, and some of which are protected wildlife areas for conservation. The ocean is the ocean and has a much larger source of fish and less / different regulations.

You really can't see any differences between the two scenarios?

 

[Bodi]

Parks tend to involve freshwater sources like lakes and streams, and some of which are protected wildlife areas for conservation. The ocean is the ocean and has a much larger source of fish and less / different regulations.

You really can't see any differences between the two scenarios?

Not regarding having to have a license... no. It *is completely hypocritical and arbitrary.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Not regarding having to have a license... no. It *is completely hypocritical and arbitrary.

It's completely hypocritical and arbitrary to regulate the oceans and inland lakes/streams differently? They're identical and should be treated identically?

Sound like a pretty stupid claim. If you'd like to make your case why the oceans and inland lakes are identical, go ahead. They're clearly quite different from each other.

 

[Bodi]

It's completely hypocritical and arbitrary to regulate the oceans and inland lakes/streams differently? They're identical and should be treated identically?

Sound like a pretty stupid claim. If you'd like to make your case why the oceans and inland lakes are identical, go ahead. They're clearly quite different from each other.

It is not "the Oceans"... it is coastline within American boundaries... as are lakes and streams... Can't believe that you missed the distinction.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

It is not "the Oceans"... it is coastline within American boundaries... as are lakes and streams... Can't believe that you missed the distinction.

You're still refusing to make any kind of an argument for your point? I laid out multiple reasons why they're different and should be regulated differently. Lakes and rivers do not replenish wildlife like oceans can, and thus need special care of how much is fished and through what methods.

Are you so lazy you can't even muster a one sentence explanation why you think the ocean and inland lakes are identical and should be regulated identically? Is this like Twitter for you where you can just whine about things rhetorically?

 

[Ishm]

Strange thread. Bodi shows a New Zealand flag on his sig??? Just happens that I visit NZ to fish quite a lot. There you fish the salt water for free, and buy freshwater licences for different areas. Sounds like he should start complaining at home first unless I am misunderstanding his thread??

 

[BirdinHand]

Because the point of licenses is conservation.

Salt water regulations are set annually and heavily monitored. Species regulations change annually.

There are wardens checking catch along shores in high numbers at public piers/beaches/docks/marinas. The species you can catch and number of fish caught from piers/beaches, etc do not fluctuate much in the whole. Due to how fish act/where they swim, etc.

Also, the second you set foot in a vessel, licensing is required - either by the angler or the boat owner. (Simple to attain, and for many species, no fees)

Freshwater stock is less heavily monitored, and more difficult to keep track of the health of species. Additionally, many freshwater fish are “stocked” - meaning, young fish are released on a regular basis.

There are a limited number of people that have access to saltwater fishing. There are much greater numbers who can go freshwater fishing.

It’s really as simple as that.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Is Salt Lake regulated differently from all freshwater lakes?

 

[BirdinHand]

Is Salt Lake regulated differently from all freshwater lakes?

There are no fish in Salt Lake generally.

At times there may be some freshwater fish that migrate there - but the salinity of the lake is not conducive to it being a habitat for fish.

 

[Bodi]

Strange thread. Bodi shows a New Zealand flag on his sig??? Just happens that I visit NZ to fish quite a lot. There you fish the salt water for free, and buy freshwater licences for different areas. Sounds like he should start complaining at home first unless I am misunderstanding his thread??

You are misunderstanding the thread.

 

[Bodi]

You're still refusing to make any kind of an argument for your point? I laid out multiple reasons why they're different and should be regulated differently. Lakes and rivers do not replenish wildlife like oceans can, and thus need special care of how much is fished and through what methods.

Are you so lazy you can't even muster a one sentence explanation why you think the ocean and inland lakes are identical and should be regulated identically? Is this like Twitter for you where you can just whine about things rhetorically?

It is inconsistent in its regulation. What more of an argument should I make?

 

[Bodi]

There are a limited number of people that have access to saltwater fishing. There are much greater numbers who can go freshwater fishing.

It’s really as simple as that.

40% of Americans live along the coast with probably another 40% within a half days drive.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Because the point of licenses is conservation.

Salt water regulations are set annually and heavily monitored. Species regulations change annually.

There are wardens checking catch along shores in high numbers at public piers/beaches/docks/marinas. The species you can catch and number of fish caught from piers/beaches, etc do not fluctuate much in the whole. Due to how fish act/where they swim, etc.

Also, the second you set foot in a vessel, licensing is required - either by the angler or the boat owner. (Simple to attain, and for many species, no fees)

Freshwater stock is less heavily monitored, and more difficult to keep track of the health of species. Additionally, many freshwater fish are “stocked” - meaning, young fish are released on a regular basis.

There are a limited number of people that have access to saltwater fishing. There are much greater numbers who can go freshwater fishing.

It’s really as simple as that.

He didn't actually want to know why, he's just here to whine and cry.

It is inconsistent in its regulation. What more of an argument should I make?

Yet you can't even muster a one sentence explanation how regulating two different things differently is inconsistent.

 

[The Mark]

It is inconsistent in its regulation. What more of an argument should I make?

It's not inconsistent, you just misunderstand the purpose of the regulation.

 

[BirdinHand]

It is inconsistent in its regulation. What more of an argument should I make?

Actually it is not.

States determine what licenses are necessary.

States that have salt water fishing set regulations for both saltwater and fresh water fishing.

States must also adhere to federal quotas and determine size limits, etc in accordance with federal mandates and in coordination with other states, sectors, etc for saltwater fishing.

40% of Americans live along the coast with probably another 40% within a half days drive.

And yet, saltwater fishing is @14 million Americans annually whereas freshwater fishing is more than 35 million. And of those 14 million saltwater anglers annually - more than 60% of them fish from boats. Which does require permits, licenses, etc.

So, you’re really talking about @5 million people that fish from land for saltwater fish.

Their “catch” is nominal in the grand scheme.

Licenses, permits, etc - have the purpose of conservation.

Just because you don’t understand doesn’t mean there aren’t reasons.

 

[Bodi]

He didn't actually want to know why, he's just here to whine and cry.


Yet you can't even muster a one sentence explanation how regulating two different things differently is inconsistent.

How is fishing for fish two different things? Pole. Bait. Patience. Beer. Cooler. Waiting some more... Fishing.

Pretty much one thing no matter where you do it.

 

[BirdinHand]

How is fishing for fish two different things? Pole. Bait. Patience. Beer. Cooler. Waiting some more... Fishing.

Pretty much one thing no matter where you do it.

The act isn’t different, the number of people that do it and species of fish targeted are.

You do realize that you can’t just kill anything that bites a hook, right?

Want to ask why different fisheries have different size and bag limits or seasons next?

Know the reasons for those? Conservation.

Same reason for licenses.

 

[Bodi]

The act isn’t different, the number of people that do it and species of fish targeted are.

Which makes it inconsistent.

You do realize that you can’t just kill anything that bites a hook, right?

Yes... and a Red Herring. Pun Intended.

Want to ask why different fisheries have different size and bag limits or seasons next?

Red Herring.

 

[samiam5211]

40% of Americans live along the coast with probably another 40% within a half days drive.

Pretty much 100% are 10 - 20 minutes away from freshwater fishing.

I think this who gripe over fishing licenses is silly, but the i couldn't help but make a pedantic point. Sorry.

 

[Bodi]

Pretty much 100% are 10 - 20 minutes away from freshwater fishing.

I think this who gripe over fishing licenses is silly, but the i couldn't help but make a pedantic point. Sorry.

You think that 100% of people are 10-20 minutes from a fresh water fishing location?

 

[BirdinHand]

Which makes it inconsistent.

Yes... and a Red Herring. Pun Intended.

Red Herring.

No.

Not red herring.

You’ve sufficiently demonstrated that you don’t understand fisheries management and conservation.

Your accusation of “inconsistency” is really an expression of ignorance.

And your posts show that you aren’t interested in learning.

 

[samiam5211]

You think that 100% of people are 10-20 minutes from a fresh water fishing location?

You don't?

Even in cities, many parks allow fishing.

I've lived in 5 different states and have never been more than 10 minutes away from somewhere where i could go fishing.

 

[Bodi]

No.

Not red herring.

You’ve sufficiently demonstrated that you don’t understand fisheries management and conservation.

Interesting. Considering that we have not talked about that at all.

How do you arrive at such stupid conclusions, time and time again?

Your accusation of “inconsistency” is really an expression of ignorance.

Then make an argument showing what I have said, specifically, is ignorant.

 

[Bodi]

You don't?

Even in cities, many parks allow fishing.

I've lived in 5 different states and have never been more than 10 minutes away from somewhere where i could go fishing.

hmmm I stand correct. I grew up in Orange County and just looked up freshwater fishing and there are actually quite a few places... and apparently OC is not a good spot for fishing, compared to many counties. Thanks.

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