In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy' [W:317]

[iguanaman]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Well, you know, they do, when you compare their lot with that of the almost 2 Billions that are starving without a shower.

Way to go...let's ALL race to the bottom. That is what hurts me most about Conservatives they hate America and could care less about its people.

 

[Deuce]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

"Lack of effort on his or her part"
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"Circumstances beyond his or her control"​

Are the different words used for the same code language meaning inability or lack of desire to function within society as it is.
I doubt we are going to change society just for them.

Yeah, like my uncle who was hit by a drunk driver while on the job and left permanently crippled. What a lazy ​taker.

 

[Deuce]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

I suspect the reason many don't feel the poor have it that bad is because of things like this:

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Sounds like it could be way, way more effective if we just gave them cash without any sort of preconditions, didn't bother with checking to make sure they bought what big government thinks they should, etc. all that bureaucracy gone overnight.

 

[Paxaeon]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Then why did you mention only Thomas Sowell, when he was NOT the author and was one of a few people mentioned?
You didn't read the link until I called you out on it. It's obvious. You just read it, and realized you were caught.
Opinions are facts when the opinions are correct.

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I only mentioned Sowell because I was being lazy. So sue me. You, on the other hand, never read a damn thing which forced me to teach you what the article was saying. I don't get paid to teach people here so READ before you post. I'll be happy to help you.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

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I only mentioned Sowell because I was being lazy. So sue me. You, on the other hand, never read a damn thing which forced me to teach you what the article was saying. I don't get paid to teach people here so READ before you post. I'll be happy to help you.

I read the entire article. I'm not the one who is "lazy". That's you.

You clai you read it all, but you dismissed it as "opinion". I read it and paid attention to what was said by all of them.

Next time be honest.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Way to go...let's ALL race to the bottom. That is what hurts me most about Conservatives they hate America and could care less about its people.

How many poor people did you give money to today? How many did you buy meals for? How many did you give a ride to? How many did you give a job to?

I'll take a guess. Zero. It's easy to play internet philanthropist. It's harder to actually do it.

By the way, it's "couldn't care less". If conservatives could care less, that means they care a lot. Which, by the way, would be an accurate statement.

 

[Paxaeon]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Did you even read what you cited? None of the links you provided refutes the heritage study. The first article is a bit of a sarcastic opinion piece while the second one decries the methodology without putting any numbers to refute it.
And posting in bold and bigger fonts doesnt make your statements true.

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Not too quick on the uptake I see. What's there to refute? None of the articles disputed the facts Heritage brought up but where the study miserably failed, and ultimately why it is discarded, is the methodology: comparing poor in the US to poor living in a third world country. Apples and oranges.

 

[What if...?]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

We've all heard the slogan: "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime."

Liberals want to give a man a fish while conservatives want to teach a man to fish.

And require the use of expensive poles and charge big bucks for access to the lake.

 

[Paxaeon]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

And yet you consider a survey/poll to be fact when all a survey/poll does is take a snapshot of opinion at any given time and is often opinion from the uninformed masses.

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READ my opening statement;

"For starters, the word "compassion" is not found in the conservative - TP - GOP political lexicon.....but I digress.
The article is about the most recent Pew poll shown below, which is a "survey of American politics which sorts voters into cohesive groups based on their attitudes and values". Interesting but hardly surprising."​

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Where in the sam hell do you see me acknowledging the poll was fact? I said it was INTERESTING. Keep digging your hole.
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[clownboy]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

The CDC does not track death by starvation in the US because the number is so low as to be insignificant. Except of course to those who starved to death. Instead they go with malnutrition, also a low number but it doesn't really tell the story because you can receive plenty of calories and still be malnourished.

The standard they use for at risk households is similarly a bit of a con. One person in the household must have gone hungry for one day during the year.

Look, I'm not saying very poor people don't sometimes have a tough go of it. But we do have plenty of government safety nets, local, state and federal charities and most folks just won't pass by someone in genuine need. NOT want, need.

This entirely stupid characterization of people's compassion for one another by political views is idiocy. If one cannot see the compassion in others, it is likely lacking in themselves.

 

[Paxaeon]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

I read the entire article. I'm not the one who is "lazy". That's you.
You clai you read it all, but you dismissed it as "opinion". I read it and paid attention to what was said by all of them.
Next time be honest.

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Again, you don't read...it's all opinion...there were absolutely no facts quoted. None, zippo, nada.

 

[What if...?]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

I grew up in the 50's, conservative and liberal didn't mean a thing to me back then. But this was before all these government programs, before the war on poverty, before medicare and medicaid. But back then people had self responsibility, family took care of family, neighbor, neighbor, community. Help for the poor and downtrodden if that is the right word was supported by can drives, clothes drives and local and national organizations like the Salvation Army, Red Cross, Jaycees, by local churches. No one starved or did without medical care if needed.

Now there was plenty of things wrong with society back then, but it wasn't people helping other people out. People gave of their time, their energy and their money because they wanted to, not because government took it from them in the form of taxes. Someone lost their job, he was invited for supper by a neighbor, other neighbors would bring over food for him and clothes if his kids needed them. It wouldn't be long before the community would find work for him. Today these same people and their offspring, when it comes to helping others out just point them to the nearest government office. My have times changed.

Of course you're talking about one of the richest times in our history. It was much less so during the depression and has become less so since the Great Divergence.

 

[Perotista]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Of course you're talking about one of the richest times in our history. It was much less so during the depression and has become less so since the Great Divergence.

Yeah, it was a unique era.

 

[Dezaad]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Of course you're talking about one of the richest times in our history. It was much less so during the depression and has become less so since the Great Divergence.

The Poverty Rate in 1959 was ~23%, and dropped during the 60s. Any perceived lack of poverty in the 50s is an illusion.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

The Poverty Rate in 1959 was ~23%, and dropped during the 60s. Any perceived lack of poverty in the 50s is an illusion.

I know. The funny thing about liberals I've known, though, is that while they brag about how much better things are now when we talk about social welfare, they brag about how much better off people were back then when we start talking about the economy and and how much the rich should be taxed. Those 50's and 60's were seen as years of wild prosperity by the people arguing that 90% tax rates for the rich made it happen. It's like reality has no bearing whatsoever on any of it.

 

[Dezaad]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

I know. The funny thing about liberals I've known, though, is that while they brag about how much better things are now when we talk about social welfare, they brag about how much better off people were back then when we start talking about the economy and and how much the rich should be taxed. Those 50's and 60's were seen as years of wild prosperity by the people arguing that 90% tax rates for the rich made it happen. It's like reality has no bearing whatsoever on any of it.

Except that poverty dropped in the early 60s, under a regime of much greater progressive taxation than we have today. Sounds to me like conservatives should do a reality check of their own.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Except that poverty dropped in the early 60s, under a regime of much greater progressive taxation than we have today. Sounds to me like conservatives should do a reality check of their own.

And the poverty rate was up to 23% under a regime of much greater progressive taxation than we have today, too. In 1959, the rate of poverty was 23 percent and the highest tax rate was 91%. In 1964, it went down significantly to 77% and has never been that high again. And damned if the poverty rate was never that high again, either because in 1964, it was 19% and has hovered between 12 and 15 percent since. So when it comes to a reality check, physician, heal thyself.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

And the poverty rate was up to 23% under a regime of much greater progressive taxation than we have today, too. In 1959, the rate of poverty was 23 percent and the highest tax rate was 91%. In 1964, it went down significantly to 77% and has never been that high again. And damned if the poverty rate was never that high again, either because in 1964, it was 19% and has hovered between 12 and 15 percent since. So when it comes to a reality check, physician, heal thyself.

That is a misleading post. The poverty rate was higher in 1964 than now but had dropped and continue to drop significantly for quite some time after the 1950s. Much of it had to do with such anti poverty programs as social security.

 

[JoeTrumps]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Liberals must have to quietly hold their noses when they go to bat for the poor. The majority of the poor are also religious(some even CATHOLIC!!!), and those people are scum in the left's eyes. But hey, it gets them elected, so they act as the poor's Champion.
sad, really

 

[Papa bull]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

That is a misleading post. The poverty rate was higher in 1964 than now but had dropped and continue to drop significantly for quite some time after the 1950s. Much of it had to do with such anti poverty programs as social security.

The point is that poverty was MUCH higher when the marginal tax rate was at a 91% that causes liberal hearts to go pitty-patter, swelling with adoration. Then we saw tax rates go from 74% down to what we have today without any serious alteration in poverty rates, which belies the liberal meme that we were all so much better off because of ridiculously high tax rates on the rich. That was nonsense.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

The point is that poverty was MUCH higher when the marginal tax rate was at a 91% that causes liberal hearts to go pitty-patter, swelling with adoration. Then we saw tax rates go from 74% down to what we have today without any serious alteration in poverty rates, which belies the liberal meme that we were all so much better off because of ridiculously high tax rates on the rich. That was nonsense.

Higher tax rates usually correlate with less inequality. While tax rates certainly do have an effect on poverty, programs and/or how that money is redistributed have a much larger effect.

 

[HonestJoe]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

I also love the assumption you make about realities of living on low income. And when you do not have to work for it, yeah it is definitely more easier than having to work for it.

There is much irony about you talking about assumptions then talk about people on low incomes not working.

Easy and hard are relative and the fact of the matter is that the poor in America have it easy relative to the poor in most of the world. And arguing absolutes is ridiculous. Every single poor person in this country doesn't have to have it better than every single poor person in every other country to make it true that the poor, generally speaking, have it quite easy in America.

The statement isn't "generally speaking" or "quite easy". The statement is "the poor have it easy" full stop. It's a bad answer because it's a bad question. The main problem with the question (and answer) is the conclusion it leads to - that we don't need to help "the poor" as much.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that every poor person in the US doesnt have any arms and legs? :roll:

Metaphor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . Every day's a school day.

 

[Maenad]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Its a fact that the poor do have it easy. When youre poor in the US youre rich compared to the poor in other countries, Ive seen it with my own eyes.

As have I.

 

[Maenad]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Oh, like conservative mormons do, culling their fold.

I've never seen one compassionate conservative in my lifetime, and probably won't ever, although I do have hopes for them to stop alienating minorities and the poor, but I won't hold my breath during that time.

I recall how Romney showed his compassionate side during his election loss, albeit fake and phony, he gave it the old college try.

Well, the numbers are in. Conservatives are far more charitable.

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Conservatives More Liberal Givers

 

[AJiveMan]

Re: In US, over 75 per cent of conservatives say the poor 'have it easy'

Well, the numbers are in. Conservatives are far more charitable.



RealClearPolitics - Articles - Conservatives More Liberal Givers

Big difference between being charitable and compassionate, both words are even defined differently too, nice try there! :thumbs: