In The True Meanings of the Words, who doesn't want to support Life and Choice? (1 Viewer)

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

I believe that this Issue is more of a Political Tool than a real Issue that politicions and people take stands on.

Pro-Life: Supports Life
Pro-Choice: Supports Choice
^Who wouldn't support both of these when it's outside of the context of Abortion?

Both sides play such a hard extreme on Abortion (the ones that are loud about it anyways). You got the "Pro-Choice" people that make abortion seem like the #1 thing to do for an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy. They do it to such a degree where they make it seem like an Abortion is just a casual choice someone takes in unwanted Pregnancy.. which flues the flame for the Pro-Life crowd that respond back with emotion.

The "Pro-Life" people have an extreme too. They want Pregnancy to be the only choice someone has when they are Pregnant. Never mind the circumstance of the pregnancy, be it rape, incest, or death of the Child or Mother.

Lets face it, both extremes are Anti-Choice and Anti-Life. I rarely give the abortion issue attention anymore.

Could this Abortion stuff be a Conspiracy or just Politics gone out of hand?
Here's what popularizing Abortion accomplishes.

1) It keeps people busy with a multi-variable political issue to where they don't have the time or energy to focus on other political issues. Thus, being apathetic on other issues

2) It makes people like me disinterested with politics because what they do on abortion is just a nay-saying game with an extended vocabulary. Thus, being apathetic on politics in general.


I hate to say it, but I no longer care to hear about a Pro-Life arguement or a Pro-Choice arguement. There are much more important things going on here in the United States.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

New here and already got like 12 threads going, you're set to make an impression arent you?

You got the "Pro-Choice" people that make abortion seem like the #1 thing to do for an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy. They do it to such a degree where they make it seem like an Abortion is just a casual choice someone takes in unwanted Pregnancy.. which flues the flame for the Pro-Life crowd that respond back with emotion.

The "Pro-Life" people have an extreme too. They want Pregnancy to be the only choice someone has when they are Pregnant. Never mind the circumstance of the pregnancy, be it rape, incest, or death of the Child or Mother.

Lets face it, both extremes are Anti-Choice and Anti-Life. I rarely give the abortion issue attention anymore.

You failed to establish how the extremists of pro-choice are anti-choice or life. No one is for abortion, most everyone is morally opposed to it. The problem is, the choice group think its an issue of liberty, and the life people think its murder.

I hate to say it, but I no longer care to hear about a Pro-Life arguement or a Pro-Choice arguement. There are much more important things going on here in the United States.

If you didnt care, you wouldnt have started this thread. Abortion isnt exactly a bullshit election year issue like flag burning.

 

[Pen]

I have reviewed his initial posts and find them of interest and worthy of comment/debate. I lurked for several months before making my first post. I have no problem with someone with the confidence to jump in with interesting topic discussions.

Lachean, I find this to be a rude "welcome" to a new participant at DP:

New here and already got like 12 threads going, you're set to make an impression arent you?

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

New here and already got like 12 threads going, you're set to make an impression arent you?



You failed to establish how the extremists of pro-choice are anti-choice or life. No one is for abortion, most everyone is morally opposed to it. The problem is, the choice group think its an issue of liberty, and the life people think its murder.



If you didnt care, you wouldnt have started this thread. Abortion isnt exactly a bullshit election year issue like flag burning.

Actually I'm a refugee of another Political Forum that died over a dumb Ann Coulter/Cindy Sheehan arguement and so I'm transfering my popular posts onto this one. But I guess an impression would be nice.

Yes, I thought about the redundancy of saying I don't care when I make this post, but I do care that people and politicions care waaaaaay to much on abortion and that was the inspiration for this post. As for the topic in General, my response is no response. Like whenever I visit a Poll or when someone calls up the house for a political Survey or if I see the argument on television I'll just turn it away. I give it absolutely no attention other than discussions like this post. It is very likely that this will be the only Abortion post I will respond to in this entire website unless there is another topic simular to this one.

 

[Proudly Pro Life JP Freem]

I believe that this Issue is more of a Political Tool than a real Issue that politicions and people take stands on.

Politicians in most cases are never honest about the issue, most hate talking about it. If they do they change the subject pretty fast. Are you a politician Because you are doing the same thing
Pro-Life: Supports Life
Pro-Choice: Supports Choice
^Who wouldn't support both of these when it's outside of the context of Abortion?

Both sides play such a hard extreme on Abortion (the ones that are loud about it anyways). You got the "Pro-Choice" people that make abortion seem like the #1 thing to do for an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy.

Ya they think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

They do it to such a degree where they make it seem like an Abortion is just a casual choice someone takes in unwanted Pregnancy.. which flues the flame for the Pro-Life crowd that respond back with emotion.

Your not kidding we are talking about an innocent life. Should we be emotional about genicide? Because that is what I believe is happening.

The "Pro-Life" people have an extreme too. They want Pregnancy to be the only choice someone has when they are Pregnant. Never mind the circumstance of the pregnancy, be it rape, incest, or death of the Child or Mother.

Less than 1% of all abortions are performed because of rape, incest, or potential death of the Child or Mother. Most Americans do not favor abortion on demand.


Lets face it, both extremes are Anti-Choice and Anti-Life. I rarely give the abortion issue attention anymore.

Yep he's a Politician

Could this Abortion stuff be a Conspiracy or just Politics gone out of hand?
Here's what popularizing Abortion accomplishes.

It is an emotional issue for both sides it is not only a political issue it is also a Moral issue, ethical issue, a religious issue, a racial issue, Medical issue, and probally allot more issues, I can not think of right now.1)

It keeps people busy with a multi-variable political issue to where they don't have the time or energy to focus on other political issues. Thus, being apathetic on other issues

For me any many others it is the #1 issue. In most cases I vote for a Pro Life candidate because he or she cares about every person. Unlike the Pro Abortion crowd we get out and vote nothing apathetic about us. Politicians are beginning to see this.


2) It makes people like me disinterested with politics because what they do on abortion is just a nay-saying game with an extended vocabulary. Thus, being apathetic on politics in general.

Again not true with the pro life side

I hate to say it, but I no longer care to hear about a Pro-Life arguement or a Pro-Choice arguement. There are much more important things going on here in the United States.

Boy then Why are you writting about it? Hmm I smell politician all the way. What is more important than human life.

 

[Pen]

Dude, he answered your question in his entry statement. And I have to agree with him that the extreme positions on both sides of this debate leave little for the "middle" to discuss. Your immediate attack being an obvious example.

I believe that the middle ground for both sides of this debate would be the prevention of an unwanted pregnancy. Even a reasonable position such as that can't find agreement between either side of this debate.

Do you still wonder why anyone would recognize that abortion is an important topic, but have no interest in trying to change opinion or to hope for common ground? It only takes common sense to stay out of useless battles; I sincerely doubt that there is a corner on the market by politicians.

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

Less than 1% of all abortions are performed because of rape, incest, or potential death of the Child or Mother. Most Americans do not favor abortion on demand.

It doesn't seem that way in the political arena. Atleast not to be it doesn't. Except for a few times, have I ever heard a pro-lifer be against a ristriction on abortion for the circumstances you've listed. But I do see this though in most people.

Also, what do you mean by you smell politicion all the way?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Lachean, I find this to be a rude "welcome" to a new participant at DP:

Oh I welcomed him on his opening thread, and that comment was in reference to the fact that I have replied to many of his initial posts, noticing that he is trying to make an impression.

You didnt get that because my comment wasnt directed at you, dont concern yourself with my actions.

 

[ngdawg]

I believe that this Issue is more of a Political Tool than a real Issue that politicions and people take stands on.

Pro-Life: Supports Life
Pro-Choice: Supports Choice
^Who wouldn't support both of these when it's outside of the context of Abortion?

Both sides play such a hard extreme on Abortion (the ones that are loud about it anyways). You got the "Pro-Choice" people that make abortion seem like the #1 thing to do for an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy. They do it to such a degree where they make it seem like an Abortion is just a casual choice someone takes in unwanted Pregnancy.. which flues the flame for the Pro-Life crowd that respond back with emotion.

You're way off base here. Not one single solitary person who is pro-choice made anything close to "that make abortion seem like the #1 thing to do for an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy. They do it to such a degree where they make it seem like an Abortion is just a casual choice someone takes in unwanted Pregnancy..". It's not casual, it's difficult at best, devastating mostly. Please don't make vain attempts at pidgeon-holing.

The "Pro-Life" people have an extreme too. They want Pregnancy to be the only choice someone has when they are Pregnant. Never mind the circumstance of the pregnancy, be it rape, incest, or death of the Child or Mother.

Lets face it, both extremes are Anti-Choice and Anti-Life. I rarely give the abortion issue attention anymore.

Could this Abortion stuff be a Conspiracy or just Politics gone out of hand?
Here's what popularizing Abortion accomplishes.

1) It keeps people busy with a multi-variable political issue to where they don't have the time or energy to focus on other political issues. Thus, being apathetic on other issues

2) It makes people like me disinterested with politics because what they do on abortion is just a nay-saying game with an extended vocabulary. Thus, being apathetic on politics in general.


I hate to say it, but I no longer care to hear about a Pro-Life arguement or a Pro-Choice arguement. There are much more important things going on here in the United States.

Then why did you even bother to post? To inflame? To watch another cockfight, knowing you were 'above that' by 'no longer caring to hear it'?
How is wanting to protect personal freedom anti-choice? The ironic part is that even pro-choice people are basically anti-abortion. We just don't think someone in Florida has any right to dictate what someone in PA can do with their own situation. And THE most ironic part of all? Not one of the pro-choice would choose abortion for themselves, but the so called pro-life camp has at least two that have and one that kept making babies, knowing they would suffer and die before they were developed enough to have a chance to live.

 

[ngdawg]

Ya they think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Back that ludicrous remark up. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

Okay, everyone that's asking me if I don't care then why did I make this post. Read this please.

Yes, I thought about the redundancy of saying I don't care when I make this post, but I do care that people and politicions care waaaaaay to much on abortion and that was the inspiration for this post. As for the topic in General, my response is no response. Like whenever I visit a Poll or when someone calls up the house for a political Survey or if I see the argument on television I'll just turn it away. I give it absolutely no attention other than discussions like this post. It is very likely that this will be the only Abortion post I will respond to in this entire website unless there is another topic simular to this one.

 

[Proudly Pro Life JP Freem]

It doesn't seem that way in the political arena. Atleast not to be it doesn't. Except for a few times, have I ever heard a pro-lifer be against a ristriction on abortion for the circumstances you've listed. But I do see this though in most people.

If we would allow abortion in only the cases mention instead of 5,000 lives being lost everyday, there would only be 50. would I be for this yes. (now here is were I straddle the fence) My true belief is even though 50 lifes would be lost, it is still to many because those 50 are still innocent.

Also, what do you mean by you smell politicion all the way?

Sometimes words are like odors. Politician's words sometimes stink because they try so hard to sit right on the fence, always afraid to hop off to the one side they truely believe. People are now begining to get a whiff and they do not like it, the result being both sides get angry. The most sucessful politicians get off the fence and state thier position. Face it Abortion is and will be the number one issue that divides this nation. So I disagree with your premise it is not that important.

 

[Captain America]

Sometimes words are like odors. Politician's words sometimes stink because they try so hard to sit right on the fence, always afraid to hop off to the one side they truely believe. .

That is true. Often, politicians are cornered to take a stance on non-issues just so their constituants know where they stand.

For example, who can deny that the issue of gays getting married ranks about as low as we can go on the scale of national importance on issues faciing us today? Yet, it is an issue that is on the table and the only reason it is even being discussed is to call out the politicians to see where they stand on issues that are considered by some to be "moral" issues.

Anything to take the focus off the real issues that are facing us today that we are failing miserably at. This particular administration are experts at just that. So are their supporters.

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

I'd like to see there's a way to influence people that the issue and stance on Abortion shouldn't be how they choose a Candidate. I also don't see whats wrong with a Politicion totally ignoring a bill such as Abortion and Gay Marriage on a Federal Level for vote No just because they don't believe these laws should be Federal, or a politicion reacting with the same annoyance as other voters on issues like this.

 

[Proudly Pro Life JP Freem]

I'd like to see there's a way to influence people that the issue and stance on Abortion shouldn't be how they choose a Candidate. I also don't see whats wrong with a Politicion totally ignoring a bill such as Abortion and Gay Marriage on a Federal Level for vote No just because they don't believe these laws should be Federal, or a politicion reacting with the same annoyance as other voters on issues like this.

I support Abortion and Gay marriage issues should be decided by the States but the Pro abortion crowd really fear this. If Roe vs Wade is overturned it would then be up to the states.