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In shootings, is the gun to blame?

Ugh, again?

To blunt the efficiency of gun usage to kill people. Oh, those types of guns kill more people with less effort. So let's ban those, maybe it will save a few people. This is not rocket science, so you either know the answer and don't like it, or you missed a lot of classes in gun school.

To be clear, I have not stated whether I think these laws are effective just that they are real.
don't you think you should understand what makes a weapon efficient before arguing on this topic? at what point does efficiency give the government the power to ban weapons that are not unusually dangerous? what is the number of rounds in a magazine where that threshold is reached?
 
Why should the AR-15 be banned, considering it's in common use for lawful purposes?
He thinks all guns should be banned from being owned by citizens. He wants felons and the government to be the only groups with firearms
 
If there wasn't a gun, there wouldn't be a shooting. Lack of regulation is to blame, despite it ts importance being mentioned in the 2nd amendment.
 
If there wasn't a gun, there wouldn't be a shooting. Lack of regulation is to blame, despite it ts importance being mentioned in the 2nd amendment.
Unless you're suggesting to confiscate every firearm in the US your argument is just silly.

The 2nd noted that the militia should be well regulated, and it is in 10 USC 246.
 
If there wasn't a gun, there wouldn't be a shooting. Lack of regulation is to blame, despite it ts importance being mentioned in the 2nd amendment.
Yeah no gun no shooting, just hacked up with a knife, chopped up with an ax or maybe just your head smashed in with a pipe.
You need to worry about there and not here.
 
Here ya go. Why would you blame an inanimate object?

So why are we worried about the proliferation of nukes? After all, nukes don't kill people. People kill people. If someone wants to kill, they can do it with a knife or a nail clipper as effectively as they can with a nuke.

That's why we should just stop worrying about Iran getting a nuke. I say we put them on sale in their local bazaar next to the rice and spices. Heck let's have them on sale here at the local Walmart as well.
 
If there wasn't a gun, there wouldn't be a shooting. Lack of regulation is to blame, despite it ts importance being mentioned in the 2nd amendment.
Actually, there is no mention of regulating firearms in the Second Amendment. However, there is a mention of the right that "shall not be infringed" by government. You must be reading that imaginary leftist US Constitution again, not the real one.
 
The USA's holdings of gun supplies reached saturation a long time ago....a reduction of 50-100 million guns won't cause a significant drop in gun related homicides (particularly mass shootings).

Do read.
You can not in any way support this assertion.
 
Banned from PRIVATE ownership.
it's not possible to ban them from private ownership. they are the most popular rifle made today and are thus precluded from infringement by the 2nd amendment.
 
You can not in any way support this assertion.

That the current level of guns in private ownership is a saturation level ?

Law of Diminishing returns - you could add 50m, 100m, 150m more guns to the private holdings in the USA, and not make society significantly more dangerous.

it's not possible to ban them from private ownership.

Yes it is.

...they are the most popular rifle made today and are thus precluded from infringement by the 2nd amendment.

Can you support that claim ?

Popularity is not a legal determination.
 
That the current level of guns in private ownership is a saturation level ?
yes
Law of Diminishing returns - you could add 50m, 100m, 150m more guns to the private holdings in the USA, and not make society significantly more dangerous.
Is a statement you can in no way support.
Yes it is.
no it isn't. The constitution precludes you from doing so.
Can you support that claim ?
yes.
Popularity is not a legal determination.
common usage is. They are the most commonly used rifles in existence. They are precluded by the constitution from being banned.
 

So you agree or disagree with this ?

Is a statement you can in no way support.

The law of diminishing returns, needs no support.

no it isn't. The constitution precludes you from doing so.

No it doesn't.

yes.

common usage is. They are the most commonly used rifles in existence. They are precluded by the constitution from being banned.

The Constitution does not preclude ANY particular firearm from being banned.
 
So you agree or disagree with this ?
You can not support the claim of "saturation levels".
The law of diminishing returns, needs no support.
your argument does. You can in no way support it.
No it doesn't.
specifically and unequivocally precludes you. Caetano, Heller, McDonald
The Constitution does not preclude ANY particular firearm from being banned.
better let the supreme court know that, lol. Caetano, Heller, McDonald.
 
You can not support the claim of "saturation levels".

Data on the number of privately owned guns and the size of the pop does.

your argument does. You can in no way support it.

As stated; the law of diminishing returns, needs no support.

specifically and unequivocally precludes you. Caetano, Heller, McDonald

better let the supreme court know that, lol. Caetano, Heller, McDonald.

Does not preclude the banning of ANY firearm.
 
That the current level of guns in private ownership is a saturation level ?

Law of Diminishing returns - you could add 50m, 100m, 150m more guns to the private holdings in the USA, and not make society significantly more dangerous.



Yes it is.



Can you support that claim ?

Popularity is not a legal determination.
well given the Supreme court noted that "in common use" (which is a flawed attitude but controlling) that is important
 
Data on the number of privately owned guns and the size of the pop does.
no it doesn't. It's only the number of firearms in circulation. You can not support a claim of saturation.
As stated; the law of diminishing returns, needs no support.
Correct. But your claim of saturation does. You can not support it.
Does not preclude the banning of ANY firearm.
Supreme court has already shown you otherwise.
 
well given the Supreme court noted that "in common use" (which is a flawed attitude but controlling) that is important

So you're saying that the SC has ruled that particular guns CAN be banned so long as their use is insufficiently high ?
 
no it doesn't. It's only the number of firearms in circulation. You can not support a claim of saturation.

The pop is circa 330m
The estimated number of guns in private ownership is between 400-450m
THAT is saturation.

But your claim of saturation does. You can not support it.

I just did
(see above).

Supreme court has already shown you otherwise.

I dispute this.
 
So you're saying that the SC has ruled that particular guns CAN be banned so long as their use is insufficiently high ?
no, what the supreme court held was that firearms in common use that are not unusually dangerous, cannot be banned. Thomas and Scalia later noted that semi auto rifles with magazines meet both tests. Scalia also admitted that the flaw in this reasoning was new weapons that should be covered, could be immediately banned, when developed and thus the government could get around the restriction. Several have argued, that if civilian police are using the weapon, that puts it in COMMON USE.
 
The pop is circa 330m
The estimated number of guns in private ownership is between 400-450m
THAT is saturation.



I just did
(see above).



I dispute this.
credible proof required for that positive assertion as to saturation. That people continue to buy firearms at a fast pace, belies your opinion
 
no, what the supreme court held was that firearms in common use that are not unusually dangerous, cannot be banned. Thomas and Scalia later noted that semi auto rifles with magazines meet both tests. Scalia also admitted that the flaw in this reasoning was new weapons that should be covered, could be immediately banned, when developed and thus the government could get around the restriction. Several have argued, that if civilian police are using the weapon, that puts it in COMMON USE.

Well an AR-15 is unusually dangerous.

credible proof required for that positive assertion as to saturation. That people continue to buy firearms at a fast pace, belies your opinion

But the relative increase in the numbers bought does NOT correlate to an equal increase in shootings

Indeed many people would cite that gun ownership levels have increased while homicides have DECREASED.
 
Well an AR-15 is unusually dangerous.



But the relative increase in the numbers bought does NOT correlate to an equal increase in shootings

Indeed many people would cite that gun ownership levels have increased while homicides have DECREASED.
You are lying. Unusually dangerous weapons are not ones that the police should have. And you prove you don't have a clue about firearms when you make a comment that stupid
 
You are lying. Unusually dangerous weapons are not ones that the police should have. And you prove you don't have a clue about firearms when you make a comment that stupid

A weapon that's not dangerous is not worth having

The police and military need guns that are unusually dangerous, so they can dominate any firefight they are in. Why would you want the police/military to not carry more dangerous weapons than those their enemy will carry ?
 
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