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IMPORTANT: A message for those who support 3rd party candidates

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for people I do not want in office.

for Romney voters out there... what would you tell me if I implored you to vote for Obama?
Obama voters... what would you tell me if I implored you to vote for Romney?
most likely, you'd all tell me to get bent..

with that in mind.... get bent....I'm not voting for either Romney of Obama.. I already cast for Johnson and i'm happy with my vote.


were in not for a 3rd party, I wouldn't be voting for a President in this election.
 
I encourage all democrats to vote their third party candidate. Write in Micky Mouse if you want.

Predictable. I however want everyone to vote and vote how they wish. I want Romney voters out in force voting for Romney just as much as supporters for Obama, Stein, Johnson, Anderson and Goode.

What's kind of funny in the difference between you and I is that you go very well with your parties philosophy of voter suppression tactics instead of for a better democracy.



yeah... You've chosen the right party for you. Perfect fit.
 
Hey, every single word of that post is ideologically neutral. You won't find one sentence, one phrase, or as much as a single word containing even a hint of political bias anywhere...

Bull**** Grim. Your entire post was about being biased against third party candidates.

It must really suck to be someone who has such a need to insult others, they have to resort to making crap up.

If your butthurt, it wasnt because of anything I posted.
 
You are the most hyperpartisan poster here. As soon as one sees your name in a thread you already know the post will be nothing but slamming Obama.

I guess I have a lack of understanding when it comes to the meaning of the word "honesty". I had no idea it was conditional... And all this time I've gone to such lengths to engaged in honest dialog, and done my best to be truthful... Boy, do I feel dumb now.

Well, I guess I just need a list of those conditions now, so I can lie about someone or something, have a built in excuse too, as well as a clean conscience.

<sarcasm off>
 

If neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party feel fit to pursue the policies that I advocate, then why on Earth should I feel any loyalty to provide them with my vote?

Why should I sacrifice my interests to support the Democratic Party or the Republican Party electorally when neither of them feels any need to sacrifice for my own interests?

If neither the two major parties feel that the issues that are important to me are worth pushing forward as policies, then my vote is not important enough to give to either one of them.

So screw 'em.

I'm voting for Jill Stein this election.

And I live in a swing state.
 

This is silly - we should not 'encourage' ANYONE to vote. Voting should be restricted to those who, on their own volition, go to the polls by themselves and cast an INFORMED vote.

This crap about rounding up people who don't even know it is election day and driving them to the polls with a little "encouragement" as to who they should vote for - most often with a secondary benefit of a pack of smokes or a can of beer or a sawbuck or two - is not praiseworthy on any level except the cynical level of winning an election.

That kind of 'voting' should be DISCOURAGED - not 'encouraged.' I have no objection to those who makes an effort to become educated on the issues and goes to the polls voting for someone I disagree with. I DO have a problem with all the 'haul em to the polls' efforts.

Actually I would like to see some sort of test that confirms that every voter knows some basic essentials about how our government is supposed to work and demonstrates some awareness of what is going on in the nation and globally. Encouraging the ignoramuses and the apathetic to vote just dilutes the electorate to the point of randomness. And it invites corruption at the most basic level. Votes can be bought, easily.
 
Bull**** Grim. Your entire post was about being biased against third party candidates.

No it wasn't... My opinion was purely a practical one, not ideological. Nowhere in that post did I say, or even suggest, that any 3rd parties, their platforms, or their candidates, were inferior to the GOP, the Dems, their platforms, or their candidates.

Sorry pal, you just struck out again.
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.
 

And I'm still voting third party, there is nothing anyone can say or do to change that reality either. As long as the option is there, I'm not voting for jughead one, or jughead two. Anyone who doesn't like it can suck me.
 

What you call "practical" is actual preaching voting booth cowardice. You were telling people to go into the voting booth so ****ing scared that they had better choose only one of the two you approve of. You told everyone to fall in line and vote for the duopoly. It's the same ****ing instructions the soviet union gave their populace minus one party. Not much different. There is democracy, then there's what you are preaching. Two completely different ideals.
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.

I agree. While I didn't agree 100%, I thought it was a well thought out post. /shrug
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.

It was neutral between the two parties and completely jacked up bias versus any other party.
 

It isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting your own interests, and the country's interests. Since you know that either Obama or Romney will win the election, the Idea is for you to determine which of them you think would make the worse candidate, and cast a vote to defeat them, by choosing the other one on election day.

I really believe this election is important, and of the 2 possible people that will win, I want it to be the candidate that best suites all voters and the nation, to be the one we elect. If you can't have your candidate, you might as well make sure that you get the best, or least harmful, of the 2 that could in.
 

It's kind of tough to make an informed vote when a majority of our media is owned by private corporations who have vested interests in not properly informing the populace on issues.

So if you want to limit the electorate to only those who are informed, you'd better give a lot more money to NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
 

a die hard conservative would lose because all the independents would not turn out in his favor.

purists are worthless these days. you all want more kagans on the supreme court
 

Give it up... You can spin until the cows come home, but it won't make your critisism of me either honest, or valid... And since you aren't capable of a retraction or admitting you were wrong, I'm looking forward to the next lie that you are going to pile on.
 

Except neither Obama nor Romney best suit all voters of the nation.

And neither one represents my interests.

And it would be dishonest for me to endorse either one of them. And withholding my vote is the only leverage I have to acknowledge the issues that are important to me.

So I'm not going to give that away to free when they will just ignore it.
 

Face it sam... you have been instructed to put on your coward pants and vote for one of the two major parties no matter how much you disagree with both. Everything is dire. The sky is falling. If you vote third party, America will fail.
 
Face it sam... you have been instructed to put on your coward pants and vote for one of the two major parties no matter how much you disagree with both. Everything is dire. The sky is falling. If you vote third party, America will fail.

Yeah, but if America is failing, don't you think we should take a good, hard look at the two political parties who got us here?
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.

This is true, but it makes his message no less reprehensible.
 
I agree. While I didn't agree 100%, I thought it was a well thought out post. /shrug

Don't you just hate it when I fail to live up to the low standards you expected from me... Kind of makes ya dizzy huh?

:lamo
 
Don't you just hate it when I fail to live up to the low expectations you expected from me... Kind of makes ya dizzy huh?

:lamo

You don't know me, Grim. That's all I gotta say. :mrgreen:
 


We all need to respect the fact that many people in this country think this election (and many to most others) is a choice between Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee. It just as hard to convince them to abandon a third party vote to choose between Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee as it is to convince a Tweedle-Dum voter that Tweedle-Dee is superior. For those that see this as a meaningless choice, voting 3rd party is not only the strongest vote you can make; it is your patriotic duty.

Voting for someone you do not really believe-in just further encourages the main political parties to nominate the Tweedle-Dums and Tweedle-Dees. Voting for the 3rd party clearly affirms your politics and registers the protest to the main two parties. If neither Tweedle-Dum nor Tweedle-Dee earned your vote; he should not get it. The idea that one should get it just by convincing you the other guy is a bad guy is arrogant. If the main parties want that vote, let them earn it.


Vote your conscience. To those whose conscience has them vote below line two on the ballot: congratulations for having the courage of your convictions. The true wasted vote is the vote that does not register your convictions.
 
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Electoral college needs to go. Media needs to cover all candidates. And while we're at it, throw in world peace.
 
This is true, but it makes his message no less reprehensible.

That's the spirit... Make sure that any compliment is accomapanied with a genorous portion of distain... :lamo

I'm just funnin ya... Good post.
 
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