Impeachment Analysis

[GDViking]

Now you can rest yourself in the knowledge that it is already on record that no American or anyone associated with the Trump campaign assisted Russia in their efforts.

Additionally there were no charges, indictments, or convictions of anyone assisting Russia or had any knowledge of Russia attempts.

Maybe you should actually read the report, you are extremely uneducated on what's in it...

 

[Condor060]

Maybe you should actually read the report, you are extremely uneducated on what's in it...

Yeah, that would be like disagreeing with a verdict, then re-reading an entire transcript of a trial in hopes of changing the verdict. I don't need to read through it. We got the verdict.

In case you weren't aware, the case was closed. Rosenstein and Barr read the report, took Muellers advice on No Conspiracy or Collusion, and then made the decision of No Obstruction because Mueller didn't. Not to mention how tough it would be to find Obstruction on a crime that was never committed.

I guess after lying to the world for two years about conspiracy theories, collusion theories, and Russia, Russia, Russia stories or how Mueller is going to be the end of Trump, and then you hear this great big THUD when Barr made his announcement, you would want to relive the 2 year ordeal, hoping to get a different verdict, because you couldn't get what you wanted.

It must be pure misery.

 

[Bullseye]

Hold the Impeachment Hearings in the house, drag it out for months, bring to light every single bit of evidence there is out there, and then stick a gun to the heads of the Republicans in the Senate, and dare them to vote no.

Nancy is wrong to fear this.

There is so much crap on this scummy president that most of it is going to stick. And, anyone defending him will smell like ****.

What "evidence"?

 

[jnug]

Funny how the Russia Collusion claims all dropped by the way side and this persona of (Collusion isn't a crime) popped up right after Muellers report became public.

I am not responsible for you not knowing that collusion is not a federal crime and that it was discussed ad nauseam way before the release of the Report.

Not being able to prove something does not mean it did not happen and it should be obvious to anybody with a brain that the case for Obstruction and Abuse of Power is so stark and so compelling and MSM's inability to walk and chew bubblegum at the same that their effort would go where they had the most dog pile on the carpet "news stories" to report.....horse races for all intents.....horse races that they feel compelled to predict winners for each hour of each 24 hours over and over again....this horse race, that horse race, the next horse race.

Do you really think MSM is going to make the case that Mueller was never charged with defining or investigating collusion, much less exposing it. That would admit that MSM had been outmaneuvered and they are not going to admit that. If they had a brain in MSM the minute they saw Rosenstein's charging memo they would have wondered aloud about Collusion. They missed that opportunity. Its gone now. Nope Obstruction and Abuse of Power provide the best of the dog pile on the carpet, horse race news which is their bread and butter and they will cover nothing else at this point unless for example Assange comes back and makes the link between Roger Stone and his buddies and the Russians.

The first day CNN began broadcasting was a very dark day for this country followed in short order by the next darkest day, the day Rupert Murdoch got into the 24/7 "news" business which we know is not 24/7 news. The simple truth of it is that there is not more than 1-2 hours of National News in any 24 hour news day. There was not before CNN and there still isn't more than that now.

Essentially CNN began its 24/7 coverage with the first Iraq War. Do you know what we spent most of our time doing if we kept CNN on all that time? We spent it watching reporters mill around on top of buildings or on top of sand dunes waiting for something to happen....AND THAT DURING A SHOOTING WAR! Before that all Network News, absolutely all of it represented lose leaders for the Networks, fulfilling public service requirements from the FCC that no longer even exist.

The only dif between 24/7 news then and 24/7 news today is that the networks discovered their formula really does not work even with a shooting war afoot. But they already had the networks, spent the money and had to make their nut the way ALL entertainment programing makes its money, RATINGS....so now what. They had to fill most of those 24 hours with commentary....talking heads.....talking. Since then, we get about the same two hours of National News regardless of Network repeated ad nauseam for about 8 hours of the 24 hour news cycle followed by 8 hours of pure crap commentary and in some cases outright propaganda, followed by 8 hours of repeats. Does not matter which of these unholy networks you watch, the only dif is the bias of the commentary. The reason CNN and MSNBC have less viewership is that they play to an audience that tends to know the game that is afoot that will only offer up so much of their time to that nonsense. The Fox News audience is however a different sort of animal for the most part. That said, Fox actually news programming is not terrible, irrelevant at times particular when they don't like the news they should be covering. Nobody does more "dog bites man" coverage when things are not going well for their boy on a given day.

The only thing more hysterical, more laughable and more absurd than calling THAT news is facebook and its unholy brothers as news sources. So expecting the din about Collusion to carry on past the release of the Report was naive at best, simply ignorant of the realities of the state of broadcast news in this country.

I watch their shows, FOR ENTERTAINMENT because that is all it really represents. I take my news via a couple of newspapers. I have always taken my news that way and will continue to take my news that way till they bury me. News as it happens is the only aspect of 24/7 news worth anything. Even that has limited value if compared to Network News as it used to be presented years ago. We would have to teach people how to read a newspaper again for most people to go back to taking their news that way ever again. NPR can be a useful news source with limitations but only as a supplement to an ability to read newspapers, not have some baboon bracket articles with a magic marker or highlight them for you but actually read them. You can scan them....at a minimum. The rest of what we now call News is all trash....all of it and does not provide us a service as much as it provides us a disservice.

 

[MAGAnificent]

lol...translation: Oh ****!

As usual, you do not have a coherent point.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Guess you haven't noticed, DonDon is obviously scared crap-less about Impeachment hearings.

On the contrary. the democrats are scared crapless about the coming investigation of the russian collusion hoax.

 

[nekrodev]

They should've started the impeachment hearings within days of the Mueller report release. They had all the information they needed right between that and Trump's own tweets and TV appearances during the investigation. The fact that they haven't is a failure on the part of the entire party, and especially on Pelosi as Speaker. The hearings are going to take a while, regardless, and other investigations can still be on-going, but not doing SOMETHING about Trump's conduct is unforgivable.

I'm hoping that Pelosi is biding her time for the results of one of the investigations into his finances or something, and that she still plans on calling for impeachment, but I don't trust her enough to expect that that will actually happen.

 

[nekrodev]

Nice visualization of the totalitarian nature of the New Democratic Party.

Then there is the Barr investigation that appears to be causing sleepless nights for the traitors who perpetrated this shameful effort to overthrow the duly elected President of the United States.

you're so delusional that it's not even funny, it's just depressing.

 

[Condor060]

I am not responsible for you not knowing that collusion is not a federal crime and that it was discussed ad nauseam way before the release of the Report.

Not being able to prove something does not mean it did not happen and it should be obvious to anybody with a brain that the case for Obstruction and Abuse of Power is so stark and so compelling and MSM's inability to walk and chew bubblegum at the same that their effort would go where they had the most dog pile on the carpet "news stories" to report.....horse races for all intents.....horse races that they feel compelled to predict winners for each hour of each 24 hours over and over again....this horse race, that horse race, the next horse race.

Do you really think MSM is going to make the case that Mueller was never charged with defining or investigating collusion, much less exposing it. That would admit that MSM had been outmaneuvered and they are not going to admit that. If they had a brain in MSM the minute they saw Rosenstein's charging memo they would have wondered aloud about Collusion. They missed that opportunity. Its gone now. Nope Obstruction and Abuse of Power provide the best of the dog pile on the carpet, horse race news which is their bread and butter and they will cover nothing else at this point unless for example Assange comes back and makes the link between Roger Stone and his buddies and the Russians.

The first day CNN began broadcasting was a very dark day for this country followed in short order by the next darkest day, the day Rupert Murdoch got into the 24/7 "news" business which we know is not 24/7 news. The simple truth of it is that there is not more than 1-2 hours of National News in any 24 hour news day. There was not before CNN and there still isn't more than that now. .

Honestly Jnug, That is the most comprehensive, accurate, and well defined thought I have read Barr none (Pun intended lol) I have seen since I joined this board. Unfortunately I had to cut your statement short in quotes because it wouldn't allow me to add any more text so for those who haven't read it, I suggest you go back and read the complete copy.

You give me great hope that others may follow in your authorship and I am literally humbled at the accuracy of your thesis. Allow me to be the first to say thank you for allowing me a moment to reboot my brain (after hours of reading compulsive dribble).
Thank you

I might add only one comment. I do realize collusion isn't a crime. I only use it as the word these media game shows pedestaled as their topic each night and I am loving how much crow is being eaten after the fact by these same organizations.

 

[Condor060]

They should've started the impeachment hearings within days of the Mueller report release. They had all the information they needed right between that and Trump's own tweets and TV appearances during the investigation. The fact that they haven't is a failure on the part of the entire party, and especially on Pelosi as Speaker. The hearings are going to take a while, regardless, and other investigations can still be on-going, but not doing SOMETHING about Trump's conduct is unforgivable.

I'm hoping that Pelosi is biding her time for the results of one of the investigations into his finances or something, and that she still plans on calling for impeachment, but I don't trust her enough to expect that that will actually happen.

You sound like a clandestine Trump supporter as you realize an attempt at Impeachment will give back the House and almost certainly re-elect Trump. Or are you serious about moving for Impeachment> Just curious.

 

[nekrodev]

You sound like a clandestine Trump supporter as you realize an attempt at Impeachment will give back the House and almost certainly re-elect Trump. Or are you serious about moving for Impeachment> Just curious.

I am serious about moving for impeachment. It's unlikely Trump will win in 2020, no matter what - he's betrayed so much of his base, and if 2018 was any indicator, we'll be seeing larger voter turnout in 2020, especially with younger people. Impeachment is the right thing to do, period, and there's realistically nothing about it that would give Trump any benefit.

 

[jnug]

They should've started the impeachment hearings within days of the Mueller report release. They had all the information they needed right between that and Trump's own tweets and TV appearances during the investigation. The fact that they haven't is a failure on the part of the entire party, and especially on Pelosi as Speaker. The hearings are going to take a while, regardless, and other investigations can still be on-going, but not doing SOMETHING about Trump's conduct is unforgivable.

I'm hoping that Pelosi is biding her time for the results of one of the investigations into his finances or something, and that she still plans on calling for impeachment, but I don't trust her enough to expect that that will actually happen.

I suspect they would have if they first did not need to see Mueller contradict Barr. I would have preferred the Hearings start almost the moment Mueller left the podium at DOJ. However, look how look it has taken just to make the point that Hearings are not Impeachment. A vote up or down either gives you Impeachment or does not. Hearings are just the lead up to a vote. I still don't know what percentage of the current Electorate even knows that much. Seems to me, we knew it in 1973-74 without having to be spoon fed even that much.

The maddening inability of MSM to coherently present news is beyond frustrating to me. If they just repeated the right information as to process as much as they yammer on misrepresenting process or simply using sloppy language skills, we would be way ahead of the game.

 

[Condor060]

I am serious about moving for impeachment. It's unlikely Trump will win in 2020, no matter what - he's betrayed so much of his base, and if 2018 was any indicator, we'll be seeing larger voter turnout in 2020, especially with younger people. Impeachment is the right thing to do, period, and there's realistically nothing about it that would give Trump any benefit.

Then maybe you should consider the following.

Democrats are notorious for not having rear view mirrors meaning they never adjust themselves from historical events. Such as:

Pelosi has a huge problem right now. 70% of her base is screaming for Impeachment but a very large percentage of her new Democratic house members were elected from swing and red states, Hence why Democrats now have the house.

There is no criminal recommendations from the Attorney General or the DOJ as they have stated, No collusion, No Obstruction so if they move forward they do it without a single criminal claim. You are going to need 20 Republican Senate members to go along with this (which will never happen) so everyone knows going through the Impeachment process isn't going to get Trump or get the Senate to Impeach so it a political stunt at best.

What will be the fallout: You have 63% of voters saying not to Impeach which includes a percentage of Democratic voters as well. The more educated voters know that this will not come to a conclusion and you are going to do nothing but waste more of Americas money and time for and end result we all know.

Those swing and red state Democrats who vote for Impeachment are going to lose whatever clout they had in their states as those states are saying no Impeachment as well.

So just like Clinton (who by the way has 3 felony counts against him) who was exonerated by the Senate and re-elected because people felt like he was being abused for being a Democrat, Trump will fair even better as he actually has a better economy. If you succeed in Impeaching a President all of your stock markets are going to take huge downturns and a recession would be emanate.

Not to mention that the American people are already pissed about this Mueller fail and if the declassification of the FISA warrants show what everyone expects, Democrats are going to have about as much clout as the spotted Owl society and pushing for an impossible Impeachment while ignoring the business of the American people will guarantee Trumps re-election and a completely different Midterm for Democrats.

After Barr and Rosenstein made their conclusions public, this is looking exactly what it is, Liberals having temper tantrums at the expense of the American people and being championed by none other than Jerry Nadler? Its a joke.

 

[nekrodev]

Then maybe you should consider the following.

Democrats are notorious for not having rear view mirrors meaning they never adjust themselves from historical events. Such as:

Pelosi has a huge problem right now. 70% of her base is screaming for Impeachment but a very large percentage of her new Democratic house members were elected from swing and red states, Hence why Democrats now have the house.

There is no criminal recommendations from the Attorney General or the DOJ as they have stated, No collusion, No Obstruction so if they move forward they do it without a single criminal claim. You are going to need 20 Republican Senate members to go along with this (which will never happen) so everyone knows going through the Impeachment process isn't going to get Trump or get the Senate to Impeach so it a political stunt at best.

What will be the fallout: You have 63% of voters saying not to Impeach which includes a percentage of Democratic voters as well. The more educated voters know that this will not come to a conclusion and you are going to do nothing but waste more of Americas money and time for and end result we all know.

Those swing and red state Democrats who vote for Impeachment are going to lose whatever clout they had in their states as those states are saying no Impeachment as well.

So just like Clinton (who by the way has 3 felony counts against him) who was exonerated by the Senate and re-elected because people felt like he was being abused for being a Democrat, Trump will fair even better as he actually has a better economy. If you succeed in Impeaching a President all of your stock markets are going to take huge downturns and a recession would be emanate.

Not to mention that the American people are already pissed about this Mueller fail and if the declassification of the FISA warrants show what everyone expects, Democrats are going to have about as much clout as the spotted Owl society and pushing for an impossible Impeachment while ignoring the business of the American people will guarantee Trumps re-election and a completely different Midterm for Democrats.

After Barr and Rosenstein made their conclusions public, this is looking exactly what it is, Liberals having temper tantrums at the expense of the American people and being championed by none other than Jerry Nadler? Its a joke.

You're dishonest and you have no clue what you're talking about. There's no need to respond to any of this.

 

[CLAX1911]

I fully support Democrats pursuing impeachment because if they are doing that they won't focus on the election and 20/20 maybe not even in 2024.

 

[CLAX1911]

On the contrary. the democrats are scared crapless about the coming investigation of the russian collusion hoax.

I hope they keep it up. They can fiddle while their Rome Burns.

 

[Condor060]

You're dishonest and you have no clue what you're talking about. There's no need to respond to any of this.

Typical Liberal response when they get painted into a corner. We see it everyday. Nothing new here

 

[nekrodev]

Typical Liberal response when they get painted into a corner. We see it everyday. Nothing new here

We wouldn't have to keep telling you the same thing everyday if you'd go actually learn something instead of just repeating tired, debunked talking points from partisan hacks.

 

[Condor060]

We wouldn't have to keep telling you the same thing everyday if you'd go actually learn something instead of just repeating tired, debunked talking points from partisan hacks.

Liberals always deflect to name calling and condescension when they can't debate something. Its your entitlement culture. Can't agree with a poster or can't respond because you might be out of your league so default to the same ole responses. We get it.

 

[apdst]

Hold the Impeachment Hearings in the house, drag it out for months, bring to light every single bit of evidence there is out there, and then stick a gun to the heads of the Republicans in the Senate, and dare them to vote no.

Nancy is wrong to fear this.

There is so much crap on this scummy president that most of it is going to stick. And, anyone defending him will smell like ****.

Y'all ain't got no guns. Remember? :lamo

 

[OscarLevant]

Hold the Impeachment Hearings in the house, drag it out for months, bring to light every single bit of evidence there is out there, and then stick a gun to the heads of the Republicans in the Senate, and dare them to vote no.

Nancy is wrong to fear this.

There is so much crap on this scummy president that most of it is going to stick. And, anyone defending him will smell like ****.

She'll get there.

 

[jnug]

She'll get there.

Agreed, IMO, Pelosi will get there.

 

[GDViking]

On the contrary. the democrats are scared crapless about the coming investigation of the russian collusion hoax.

The only people who give two ****s about his inquiry are those that are using it as a red herring to try to distract from trumps crimes and constant mismanagement...

 

[GDViking]

Y'all ain't got no guns. Remember? :lamo

You may want to rethink that...

 

[Linc]

The only people who give two ****s about his inquiry are those that are using it as a red herring to try to distract from trumps crimes and constant mismanagement...

If Pelosi does get there, she can kiss her House goodbye, along with the Senate, state legislatures and potus.

Impeachment without conviction is as stupid as those voting their convictions for a 3rd party or not at all in 2016, or any election.

Having issue weeks makes sense, but dumb **** keeps stepping on his tie. Democrats won on issues in 2018. trumpublicons know that.