I was just talking to a friend of mine about this.
I was told 2 stories.
1 - An owner of a landscaping company went to where the day laborers were and tried to hire a few for a day job. The men said they would work for no less than $15.00 per hour. He offered $10.00, all under the table of course, and they refused.
2 - My friends father was moving to a new apartment and needed help. He is 75 years old and couldn't move anything. The day laborers demanded no less than $20.00 per hour to do the work. Obviously he told them no deal. A moving company would charge less and be insured.
These stories about illegals being taken advantage of is crap.
They won't work for little money.
And what percentage do you believe are actually paid using a fake SS#?
Most are not paid above the table, and are responsible for huge costs for hospitals and schools.
The cost to the overall economy and decrease in standard of living due to the illegal aliens is enormous, they are a clear net loss for the US.
This paragraph makes zero sense. If you are a W2, then your income taxes are ALREADY withheld, it doesn't matter if you file a return.
Further, more claimed dependents on W2 wages means less taxes taken out, so the illegals with 9 dependents claimed pay less in taxes.
And this claim does nothing to address that most illegals are NOT paid on the books, with large proportions of their wages sent out of the US.
This paragraph also doesn't make sense since the medical costs of illegals' use of hospitals is far greater than the legals' use of general practitioners.
Also, the medicare deduction is far larger than that for social security, so your other claim is also wrong.
Isn't the use of a stolen or fake SSN perjury and a felony? And 50% of illegals are using them. Damn, thats somewhere around 6 to 10 million potential felons in our country that are not supposed to be here. And people who defend these criminals claim that they are honest hard working people. Sounds to me like they belong in prison.
Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law
How much would that cost to house 6-10 million prisoners? :shock:
Estimates put the numebr around 50%
Actually false. Look at the links to the studies provided by cholla. Illegals are cheaper than legals overall.
False
And when a return is filed the taxes come back to the W2ed employee. That's why they are called "returns".
Not when returns are factored in
The first part of this sentence is false. All of the facts indicate teh exact opposite. Perhaps some research on the subject would Alleviate your misunderstandings.
What they do with their wages after they've earned them would be no different if they were legal and it is nobody's business but their own.
I don't get why liberals are always so interested in controlling how people spend the money that they earn.
It only makes sense when one is not ignorant of the actual facts.
I again implore you to look at the links provided by cholla. The study was performed by a group that is opposed to illegal immigrants, so you can pretty much trust that they aren't ****ing with the numbers that support my arguments.
But if you believe nonsense rhetoric instead of facts, the paragraph obviously won't make any sense.
And illegals aren't using medicare, they are using medicaid, which is funded differently.
Not nearly as much as it will cost to put them on welfare.
Incarceration is 100% welfare. :rofl
How much would that cost to house 6-10 million prisoners? :shock:
Deportation is not.
charge employers 5,000 or two years in prison for every illegal that they knowingly hire, allow the law to be enforced by any law enforcement agency at the County, State, or Federal level, and then earmark 10% of that 5,000 for the agency that does the bust...
and no, they won't.
Are you going to make the employers responsible for discerning real from fake IDs?
Are you going to make the employers responsible for discerning real from fake IDs?
Why not? Bouncers have to, and employers have the advantage over bouncers of having the time and connections to actually check out the information and ID given through federal databases to ensure it is real.
No, bouncers are not legally required to discern fake IDs. They are required to check IDs.
No, but the bar can get fined if someone under 21 is in there drinking, even if they had a fake ID. You can bet that the bouncer would get fired if the ID card was obviously fake and the boss got fined because of the oversight. Especially at places like the club I went to in HA that made their bouncers have training in spotting fake IDs from any state.
They'll come back.
charge employers 5,000 or two years in prison for every illegal that they knowingly hire, allow the law to be enforced by any law enforcement agency at the County, State, or Federal level, and then earmark 10% of that 5,000 for the agency that does the bust...
and no, they won't.[/QUOTE]
I was talking to an illegal that I know, who had been working here for over 10 years and then 2 years ago sold everything(2 houses and a 10 acre parcel in Cottonwood) pulled his kids out of school and moved back to Mexico. This guy hustles and works very hard to make money.
Now he is back here and says that there is no way to make money in Mexico unless you work for the cartels. He is an honest man and would not do that.
I think after they have been here for a while, the option of going back to Mexico and living at a subsistence level is not so attractive anymore.
"Estimates"? What good are they? There are between 12 and 20 million illegals, how useful is what is no better than a guess?
The facts are better than whatever links - which may or may not be legit. Hospitals are closing all over the US due to illegals unable to pay their bills. My school system, the nation's largest, has a significant portion of undocumented, whose parents do not contribute to the taxes needed to pay for the school teachers, etc.
Ok, since you said so, I guess that's that
Since it is clear you do not have an accounting background, all a return accomplishes is authenticate the numbers ALREADY PROVIDED to the IRS. There is no causal connection between a person sending in their returns and receiving a refund from the IRS. The return merely declares "offline" income, such as from stocks, bonds, real estate holdings etc, not reported directly to the IRS by one's employer.
As I noted, filing or not filing a return is meaningless, particularly since one would understand that most illegals are not swimming in IBM dividend income...
What facts are those, such as that even using YOUR numbers, over half of illegals are paid off the books - and therefore, PAY ZERO income tax?
Since no income tax is being paid on these wages, and a high proportion of them are being sent out of the country, thereby, no sales taxes either will be paid on their purchases, of course it is very relevent.
Hilarious, I am as far from liberal as one can be...:roll:
This is getting boring. You keep accusing me of not knowing the "facts" as you place them, yet you use none in your posts... :spin:
My "research" on this topic is based upon 50 years of living in the US' largest city, and reading 12 newspapers daily. The "facts" as you present would have to take everything that the WSJ, NYT and every major study - including academic papers and common sense - and throw them right out the window. Sorry, but that just doesn't jive.
Zzzzzz....more fluff nonsense... :roll: :doh
Oh really, and the revenue that pays for medicaid doesn't come from taxes? You mean the federal government just magically pays for medicaid - along with the states - from thin air?
Also, the medicare deduction is far larger than that for social security, so your other claim is also wrong.
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