I'm Starting To Like The Whackjob

[TheHammer]

I absolutely do not believe Trump as POTUS serves the Best Interests of Americans or the betterment of the World.!

Of course not, you're a self-admitted progressive. You believe in BIG central government collectivism, socialism and oppose the founders objective of a small central government constitutional republic.

 

[katzgar]

Oh! I understand what's going on. The leftwing media and the Democrat party allies are hell bent on bringing this duly elected President down. I expect them to cut their own throats before it's all over.

your little bubble world is little

 

[TheHammer]

Lol. How much is Germany paying and how much should they? If you cannot answer those questions without looking it up then this thread was nothing more than your chance to masturbate your partisanship.

Germany does not pay/invest the 3% of their GDP that they have agreed to as a NATO member.

I'll wait for you to identify my "PARTY" that I'm alleged to have a partisan loyalty to. I hate all political parties. They're the scum of the earth. They're all corrupt special interest.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Of course not, you're a self-admitted progressive. You believe in BIG central government collectivism, socialism and oppose the founders objective of a small central government constitutional republic.

Where did you find your description of a Progressive? Could you post a link for me?

 

[Fishking]

Nobody was in the mood, after two world wars, to leave Germany or Japan completely free to pursue their own defense on their own anymore.

OK, so you're saying that Germany is going to start another war up if we didn't have our military there or the same with Japan. Do you have any indicators that they are looking to do such a thing?

The US pursued an isolationist policy in the War of 1812, WWI, WWII, and 9/11. Eventually, the problems got so big it was forced into the fight, having to deal with problems much bigger than if it had just fixed them earlier.

Who said anything about isolationism? Not having 700 military bases around the world and not providing for the national defense of multiple countries is not isolationism. that highlights how utterly ridiculous the POV regarding our foreign policy is when not militarizing the entire world is considered isolationism.

 

[TheHammer]

If he wanted to save American taxpayers on foreign spending then he would not have proposed increasing the already bloated defense spending by 10% over the next year.

Unless he's proposing spending for "AMERICA FIRST", huh?

I agree that America's Military Industrial Complex is an insulting conglomerate of waste, fraud and abuse, but I also applaud the nutcase in the WH for negotiating down the cost for what he's intending to spend on. That's more than can be said for his predecessors.

 

[TheHammer]

your little bubble world is little

To be observed!

 

[TheHammer]

Where did you find your description of a Progressive? Could you post a link for me?

Why don't you simply correct me if you think I'm wrong?

 

[Fishking]

All grins! We disagree on what makes for fairness.

If not an exact proportional responsibility what constitutes fair to you? Is it fair that the U.S. spends billions providing for the national defense of other countries at our tax-payers' expense? Is it fair for us to go into extreme debt to sustain it? I mean, it really makes no sense. These other countries run their robust social programs because they don't have to be responsible for their own defense. Our young have to sweat and bleed to defend theirs because they don't want to do it themselves? That's unacceptable.

I hope you know better than to think we would pull out. Hey, if supporting Trump's strategy helps keep you motivated, bully for you! I want Trump out of the White House, the sooner the better! In time, we find out whose POV prevails.

What do we gain out of staying in? The only other country that has a military that's worth speaking about is the UK. NATO is basically the US, period. So why not disentangle from alliances that put is in questionable relationships with crap regimes like Turkey? What can we do inside of NATO that we cannot do outside of it?

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Why don't you simply correct me if you think I'm wrong?

Progressivism is the support for or advocacy of social reform. As a philosophy, it is based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.

In light of your previous description, I don't expect you to agree with the above definition. You display obvious bias. I enjoy your sense of humor!

 

[Fishking]

A military presence in Europe and Asia is hardly bankrupting ourselves

Providing global security is most definitely one of the biggest variables bankrupting us. We spend as much on our military as basically the rest of the world combined.

 

[katzgar]

Providing global security is most definitely one of the biggest variables bankrupting us. We spend as much on our military as basically the rest of the world combined.

That's true but spending billions on stupid Wars is part of the problem

 

[Trippy Trekker]

If not an exact proportional responsibility what constitutes fair to you? Is it fair that the U.S. spends billions providing for the national defense of other countries at our tax-payers' expense? Is it fair for us to go into extreme debt to sustain it? I mean, it really makes no sense. These other countries run their robust social programs because they don't have to be responsible for their own defense. Our young have to sweat and bleed to defend theirs because they don't want to do it themselves? That's unacceptable.



What do we gain out of staying in? The only other country that has a military that's worth speaking about is the UK. NATO is basically the US, period. So why not disentangle from alliances that put is in questionable relationships with crap regimes like Turkey? What can we do inside of NATO that we cannot do outside of it?

It makes a world of sense to me that the U.S. would continue to fund NATO with or without contributions from our NATO allies because we prefer primary control and power rest with our military... and we understand the important underlying relationship between our military and maintaining a stable world order. I strongly prefer the deft diplomacy that you trivialize and have disdain for.

You have stated that you teach skills to Commissioned Officers. What do you know about the qualifications of a career Foreign Service Officer?

 

[Fishking]

It makes a world of sense to me that the U.S. would continue to fund NATO with or without contributions from our NATO allies because we prefer primary control and power rest with our military... and we understand the important underlying relationship between our military and maintaining a stable world order. I strongly prefer the deft diplomacy that you trivialize and have disdain for.

Primary power and control would still rest with our military, NATO or no NATO. We have the biggest and strongest military in the world, full stop. The contributions of other nations pall in comparison. As for the deft diplomacy, I don't disdain it, I merely find it irrelevant if it has produced no results. If you get no results then you should try something different.

You have stated that you teach skills to Commissioned Officers. What do you know about the qualifications of a career Foreign Service Officer?

Well, I teach them the foreign language to assist them in their jobs. Can't get too much into what is required for their jobs but it's a diplomatic and relationship style of position, with many other things involved.

 

[alicesees]

Well, our deplorable insane President once again proves he’s the sane one relative to foreign relations. He charged the Arabs to join together and erase the Islamic radical terrorist from their lands, and then pissed off the arrogant freeloading Europeans by making public to the world they’re a freeloading gang of socialist idiots unwilling to pay for their own national defense and he charged them publically to pony up their dues to NATO and get off of the backs of America’s taxpayers.


Of course the leftist media has been horrified by the maniac in our White House. His tireless agenda to save foreign wasted American taxpayer’s money is proof of his insanity.
Actually, I’m starting to like the whack job. His Supreme Court pick was fabulous!

I couldn't have stated that any better. :applaud

I suppose it's easy to like him when you suck in his lies and don't understand what's really going on

What? You mean like all the Obama supporters?

 

[alicesees]

True dat! I believe that Donald Trump's first thought/priority is the welfare of the "American taxpayer!" What a load of crapola!

May not be his first thought, but he does consider it a lot more than any Democrat does. Ever hear the term "tax and spend liberals"?

The OP reads like a Borowitz Report.

Countless people worldwide, including me, have already made up our mind about President Trump. The words deplorable, insane, whack job and arrogant only begin to describe the less appealing aspects of Trump.

We can count on a massive Worldwide Celebration when Trump vacates the White House. Meanwhile, we soldier on in our efforts to oust him. Dump the Chump named Trump!

C'mon, really? People had their minds made up last summer, wouldn't give Trump a chance, don't now. Nothing new here, same old Lefty Hate! :2sick1:

Holding the Office in High Regard adds fuel to the "Dump The Chump Named Trump" movement. I understand you can't contribute financially right now. You can help in other ways! All grins my Arcadian friend.

Thanks for reminding me, I don't normally send any money to political parties, but I'm sending some to Our President, for his outstanding ability to piss off Lefties.!

They are jumping mad in the EU just now. They are thinking about how to get back at us with the most unusual and often bizarr ideas and stratagems.

They are arrogant freeloaders.

 

[katzgar]

I couldn't have stated that any better. :applaud



What? You mean like all the Obama supporters?

Another deplorable

 

[alicesees]

And this highlights what is wrong with your POV. Ever think other parts of the world don't have the best interests of the U.S. in mind? That by putting American interests first will necessitate other countries pissing and moaning?

I mean, he's still clown shoes of a character but that's an entirely different thing than caring about the opinion of the various countries around the world.

America First, **** the EU.

As has every president for decades now.



They're not dues.


Sure, sure. We're mad that he wants to save money on military spending. That's what we're mad about. :lamo

Not dues, but debt, BIG debt!

 

[RetiredUSN]

I suppose it's easy to like him when you suck in his lies and don't understand what's really going on

Just like sucking in all the lies of the previous 44 presidents?

 

[Vetplus40]

True dat! I believe that Donald Trump's first thought/priority is the welfare of the "American taxpayer!" What a load of crapola!

When he starts leading by example instead of hyperbole, I will reconsider my view on him.

 

[alicesees]

Another deplorable

The real and only deplorables, were Obama and Hillary supporters. The laughing stock of this century.

 

[iguanaman]

And this highlights what is wrong with your POV. Ever think other parts of the world don't have the best interests of the U.S. in mind? That by putting American interests first will necessitate other countries pissing and moaning?

I mean, he's still clown shoes of a character but that's an entirely different thing than caring about the opinion of the various countries around the world.

Your assuming that American interests align with Putin's. I'm pretty sure that is insane. In fact the right is now afflicted by mass insanity in a desperate move to save their ideology. Conservatives that speak out against Trump are the real saviors.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/01/29/prominent-conservative-bill-kristol-praises-democrat-seth-moulton-for-speaking-out-against-trump-refugee-ban

 

[jimbo]

The OP reads like a Borowitz Report.

Countless people worldwide, including me, have already made up our mind about President Trump. The words deplorable, insane, whack job and arrogant only begin to describe the less appealing aspects of Trump.

We can count on a massive Worldwide Celebration when Trump vacates the White House. Meanwhile, we soldier on in our efforts to oust him. Dump the Chump named Trump!

You've just described the entire left wing agenda. Candidate Trump became President Trump, upsetting the entire agenda. Now it's oust Trump by any means possible.

 

[jimbo]

Trump is more friendly towards the Muslim country than towards his Western European allies....Oh the Irony


And the European countries do in fact pay their fair share in NATO. The United States pays more because the U.S. is a much larger country than that of any European country.

No they don't, Not even close. The US pays a far higher into common defense both as a raw number and a percentage of GDP.

NATO funding: How it works and who pays what - May. 25, 2017

The link includes only the top 10. The remaining 12 countries pay less as GDP percentage.

 

[ecofarm]

The US does not save money by other countries spending their 3% of GDP on their military as agreed. Our military spending is about power projection and that does not change when others spend on theirs. I agree other countries should honor their NATO agreement, but this "saving money" narrative is false.