I'm afraid to send my kids to schol.

[Black Dog]

If fossils showed up in the wrong stratum it would destroy Evolutionary theory.

No it would not. The theory would be revised using the best or most likely information we have available.

Example: If a dinosaur showed up in the timeline 10,000 years ago.

Similar things have happened, and yet the theory adapts as we know more. This may invoke changes in parts of the theory, but not the theory as a whole.

 

[Cephus]

Its just a theory. That means all the facts support its existance, but do not prove it without a doubt. There is no fact that can disprove it.

There are lots of facts that could disprove it, there just aren't any facts that we currently have that *HAVE* disproven it.

There is a difference, you know.

 

[Cephus]

And yet it's still the THEORY and not THE AXIOM or LAW.

Which simply goes to show that you don't understand the terminology. A scientific theory is a set of statements which seek to explain how an observed fact works. Evolution is an undeniable fact. The theory of evolution tries to explain how evolution has occurred. The same is true of the theory of gravity, which tries to explain how gravity functions.

Or are you going to make a big deal that gravity is just a theory too?

 

[jallman]

Which simply goes to show that you don't understand the terminology.

I understand the terminology quite well thank you very little. A theory is a theory and a law is a law.

A scientific theory is a set of statements which seek to explain how an observed fact works. Evolution is an undeniable fact. The theory of evolution tries to explain how evolution has occurred. The same is true of the theory of gravity, which tries to explain how gravity functions.

Well thank you, captain obvious. Anything else from a 4th grade text book you'd like to regurgitate for us in all your pseudointellectual glory?

 

[scourge99]

I understand the terminology quite well thank you very little. A theory is a theory and a law is a law.

what's the difference between a scientific theory and a scientific law?

 

[jallman]

what's the difference between a scientific theory and a scientific law?

A law is a description of an observed phenomenon and a theory is an explanation of that phenomenon.

Do I get my gold star now?

 

[rhinefire]

Despite all the differing opinions about our schools the bottom line is more kids are dropping out, more kids are failing and teachers are having sex with 11 year olds, kids bring guns to schools and kill other kids, kids dress like they believe sujicide is better than graduation and the "standards" in our schools are half what they used to be and there are more lawsuits going around than recess bells. Don't waste another dime on our "education" system it does not educate.

 

[Slippery Slope]

Despite all the differing opinions about our schools the bottom line is more kids are dropping out, more kids are failing and teachers are having sex with 11 year olds, kids bring guns to schools and kill other kids, kids dress like they believe sujicide is better than graduation and the "standards" in our schools are half what they used to be and there are more lawsuits going around than recess bells. Don't waste another dime on our "education" system it does not educate.

Yes, cutting school funding is the answer... :roll:

 

[scourge99]

Despite all the differing opinions about our schools the bottom line is more kids are dropping out

they always have,

more kids are failing

they always have

and teachers are having sex with 11 year olds,

they always have, its just the media pays more attention to it

kids bring guns to schools

always have. Though todays technology its easier

and kill other kids,

they always have, its just reported more now

kids dress like they believe sujicide is better than graduation

don't be such a square, man. :mrgreen:

and the "standards" in our schools are half what they used to be

what did they "used to be". Nostalgic a bit, are we?

and there are more lawsuits going around than recess bells.

I agree that lawsuits have probably risen.

Don't waste another dime on our "education" system it does not educate.

cuz that will fix it.
<Rant>
And people wonder why I have little faith in humanity. :doh: look at the crap that comes out of peoples heads these days. "The educational system sucks so let's stop funding it!".
How have we survived this long?
</Rant>

 

[Cephus]

Well thank you, captain obvious. Anything else from a 4th grade text book you'd like to regurgitate for us in all your pseudointellectual glory?

Awww, you're cute when you're flustered. While you do seem to understand the basic differences between a "law" and a "theory", you're still talking about apples and oranges. A theory doesn't become a law. There is a law of gravity and there is a theory of gravity and the two are not the same. So complaining that the theory of evolution isn't a law is foolish. It's not supposed to be.

 

[Bodi]

Not necessarily. It is possible that there could be some form of upheaval (an Earthquake for example) that can create an isolated occurance of displacement. There would be geological evidence of such a major upheaval though, so it would be explainable scientifically.



That wouldn't necessarily disprove evolution, either. There are very few fossils in total.

Fossils are so rare in fact, especially transitional fossils, that this is one of the primary reasons why evolutionary theory is still in its infancy.

There are still far, far more animals that have existed and gone extinct that we know absolutely nothing about. They are totally off of our radar screens. New discoveries are made daily, and we haven't even gotten to the tip of the iceberg as far as total potential specimens are concerned.

It is entirely possible that some species of dinosaur had survived for much longer than we though possible, or some variant of dinosaur surived the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event.

Now, if they found a bunch of T-rex Fossils form 10,000 years ago, that'd be different. But a smaller dinosaur (as most of them were) would be plausible.

Oh, get out of town... you and your crazy theories!

Originally Posted by rhinefire
Despite all the differing opinions about our schools the bottom line is more kids are dropping out,

How is this the fault of teachers or Education?

I think that you also discount simple stats like the rise in population...

more kids are failing and teachers are having sex with 11 year olds,

How are pedophiles that become teachers any worse than any other pedophile?
Also, how is that educations fault?

kids bring guns to schools and kill other kids,

Kids have always killed kids...
Just back in the day, 12 years old and up,. these kids might be in the army legions.
Keep it in perspective please...

kids dress like they believe sujicide is better than graduation and

Again, how is this the fault of the education system?

the "standards" in our schools are half what they used to be and

Incorrect. The standards for curriculum and for teacher expectations, qualifications, etc has never been higher...
Look up some stuff before spouting off...

there are more lawsuits going around than recess bells.

there is only one recess bell...
How many do you think that there should be?

Don't waste another dime on our "education" system it does not educate.

I agree... it is better to have an uneducated society. :roll:

 

[jallman]

Awww, you're cute when you're flustered. While you do seem to understand the basic differences between a "law" and a "theory", you're still talking about apples and oranges. A theory doesn't become a law. There is a law of gravity and there is a theory of gravity and the two are not the same. So complaining that the theory of evolution isn't a law is foolish. It's not supposed to be.

Which has what to do with treating each according to its definition?

If just once you would think before you start banging your fingers on the keyboard....

 

[rhinefire]

they always have,

they always have

they always have, its just the media pays more attention to it

always have. Though todays technology its easier

they always have, its just reported more now

don't be such a square, man. :mrgreen:

what did they "used to be". Nostalgic a bit, are we?

I agree that lawsuits have probably risen.

cuz that will fix it.
<Rant>
And people wonder why I have little faith in humanity. :doh: look at the crap that comes out of peoples heads these days. "The educational system sucks so let's stop funding it!".
How have we survived this long?
</Rant>

It is FACT that this country is in dire straits when it comes to educating our kids. Pouring more money on the problems is in no way a solution. It is rather, a political scaming of the population showing how much politicains "care" when in fact they have greater access to the statistics than we do showing money never has solved anything in education.

 

[Decker]

It is FACT that this country is in dire straits when it comes to educating our kids. Pouring more money on the problems is in no way a solution. It is rather, a political scaming of the population showing how much politicains "care" when in fact they have greater access to the statistics than we do showing money never has solved anything in education.

Less learning and more earning.

Less education via less funding is not the answer. Do we throw money at defense contracts, tax cuts or the like?

No. More money spent on education is a good thing. We want to encourage learning so that we have an educated citizenry.

Home schooling and parochial schooling are very selective enterprises. Federally funded public education must serve the needs of everyone. PUblic education cannot filter out the undesirables so that teaching stats look better.

 

[Slippery Slope]

Educated people tend to become liberal. We can't have educated people because they are harder to fool and control. Look around.

 

[jallman]

Educated people tend to become liberal. We can't have educated people because they are harder to fool and control. Look around.

Did you have fun making that up?

 

[Black Dog]

Educated people tend to become liberal. We can't have educated people because they are harder to fool and control. Look around.

You want to post some statistics to back up that outrageous claim? :2wave:

 

[RiverDad]

Educated people tend to become liberal. We can't have educated people because they are harder to fool and control. Look around.

Exit Poll:

* * * * * * * * * * * * *Dems . . . Repub
* No H.S. Degree - - - - - -59% . . . 39%
* High School Graduate - --48% . . . 49%
* Some College - - - - - - -45% . . . 51%
* College Graduate - - - - -45% . . . 51%
* Post-Graduate Degree - -52% . . . 44%

As for educated people being harder to fool and to control, have you really looked at some of the inane things that educated people claim to believe? They may not be as gullible as the less-educated when it comes to some whoppers but they're more gullible on others.

 

[Tucker Case]

Educated people tend to become liberal. We can't have educated people because they are harder to fool and control. Look around.

What degrees do you hold?

 

[Cephus]

No. More money spent on education is a good thing. We want to encourage learning so that we have an educated citizenry.

More money spent intelligently on education is a good thing. Unfortunately, our educational system is inherently broken in it's current form, the majority of money doesn't go into the classrooms, it's sucked up by the administration. So long as the administration controls the purse-strings, it will continue to line it's own pockets, as always happens when you put the fox in charge of the henhouse.

Home schooling and parochial schooling are very selective enterprises. Federally funded public education must serve the needs of everyone. PUblic education cannot filter out the undesirables so that teaching stats look better.

Which is exactly what happens in most private schools. Anyone that makes them look bad gets expelled and sent to public schools that have to accept all comers. Homeschools, on the other hand, have the option not to submit to testing, it's usually only the students that are headed for college that take state tests, therefore the numbers are skewed toward the high end.

In reality, there's probably no real difference overall between a public school and a private school, it's just different reporting standards.

 

[Slippery Slope]

What degrees do you hold?

Why do you want to know?

 

[First Thought]

Why do you want to know?

Because you are a Liberal, therefore, you must be the reincarnation of Einstein.

 

[Zyphlin]

Educated people tend to become liberal. We can't have educated people because they are harder to fool and control. Look around.

People with common sense and who are good, well respected, and great in bed tend to become conservative.

Yay! Making wildly idiotic and ignorant statements with nothing to back it up is fun!

 

[Slippery Slope]

Because you are a Liberal, therefore, you must be the reincarnation of Einstein.

Is that what I said, or are you just spewing hyperbole?

 

[Slippery Slope]

People with common sense and who are good, well respected, and great in bed tend to become conservative.

Yay! Making wildly idiotic and ignorant statements with nothing to back it up is fun!

I guess that's why your friends use it so much.