Illegal Immigrant Awaiting Criminal Trial Wants 1st Amendment Rights Revoked For DOJ & DHS Officials

[SkyChief]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Gag orders ruled unconstitutional?

Would not surprise me with this Court.

I am sure they would finesse it to ensure State secrets and corporate trade secrets are protected.

 

[Threegoofs]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

They’re public officials commenting on a case they are prosecuting.

The first amendment preserves individuals free speech- not the government.

Either the OP doesn’t know what he first amendment is; or he thinks government officials have a constitutional right to lie about people. Either way, that’s ****ed up.

Slippery slope indeed- it’s like a Water Slide into fascism.

 

[mike2810]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

Does an employee have a right to express their opinion regarding this Administration on the use of the NG.
It seems the employee does not have a 1st Amendment right to do so.

I believe the Administration should not speak out regarding the Garcia case. They can speak at the trial. .

Attorney General Pam Bondi Fires DOJ Staffer for Flipping Off and Cursing at National Guard Member

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people.com

 

[j brown's body]

Gag orders are common for Trump, who runs two trials simultaneously, one for the law and the other for public consumption.

 

[Nickyjo]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

Let me get this straight, Bondi is a drunk pontificating about Abrego Garcia in a neighborhood bar, and Noem wrote an op-ed about him in a suburban Iowa newspaper, so there’s no big harm done and… What? They are Attorney General and Director of Homeland Security for the US?

Key word is “extrajudicial.” You’ll get your chance. Shut up, ladies.

 

[Peter]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

You do understand his point that when you have such high profile people talking about a singular case it makes it almost impossible for the defendant to get a fair trial?

If you were awaiting trial and those people started talking about you in the same way and being completely against you I take it you'd have zero problem with that?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

Welcome to the world of criminal prosecution where the defendent has rights. One of those rights it to an jury with an impartial jury.

There is no first amendment right to lie about a defendent and taint the jury pool.

If the Trump Administration wasn't using trumped up charges to try to save face, they wouldn't be in this situation.

WW

 

[SkyChief]

Let me get this straight, Bondi is a drunk pontificating about Abrego Garcia in a neighborhood bar, and Noem wrote an op-ed about him in a suburban Iowa newspaper, so there’s no big harm done and… What? They are Attorney General and Director of Homeland Security for the US?

No. You made that up.

Key word is “extrajudicial.” You’ll get your chance. Shut up, ladies.

You do understand his point that when you have such high profile people talking about a singular case it makes it almost impossible for the defendant to get a fair trial?

Abrego-Garcia will have a fair trial and get his "due process". Because the voir dire process will immediately exclude any prospective jurors who paid attention to, or were in some way exposed to (damaging) commentary by HSS Kristi Noem or A.G. Pam Bondi.

If you were awaiting trial and those people started talking about you in the same way and being completely against you I take it you'd have zero problem with that?

If I were Abrego-Garcia (and had committed the egregious crimes that he did), I would return to my home country, and relocate my family. Which is all the DoJ wants him to do, actually. If Abrego-Garcia just went home, he'd be a free man.

If he stands trial, then he will likely be convicted of his crimes, and sentenced to Federal prison. Upon release from Federal prison, Abrego-Garcia would be deported. If acquitted, he will be deported after his trial. Either way, he is deported.

 

[Nickyjo]

No. You made that up.

No, you missed my point.

Abrego-Garcia will have a fair trial and get his "due process". Because the voir dire process will immediately exclude any prospective jurors who paid attention to, or were in some way exposed to (damaging) commentary by HSS Kristi Noem or A.G. Pam Bondi.

If I were Abrego-Garcia (and had committed the egregious crimes that he did), I would return to my home country, and relocate my family. Which is all the DoJ wants him to do, actually. If Abrego-Garcia just went home, he'd be a free man.

If he stands trial, then he will likely be convicted of his crimes, and sentenced to Federal prison. Upon release from Federal prison, Abrego-Garcia would be deported. If acquitted, he will be deported after his trial. Either way, he is deported.

Glad to see you are withholding judgement til all the facts are in. Bondi and Noem would be proud.

 

[Jason Warfield]

No. You made that up.


Abrego-Garcia will have a fair trial and get his "due process". Because the voir dire process will immediately exclude any prospective jurors who paid attention to, or were in some way exposed to (damaging) commentary by HSS Kristi Noem or A.G. Pam Bondi.

If I were Abrego-Garcia (and had committed the egregious crimes that he did), I would return to my home country, and relocate my family. Which is all the DoJ wants him to do, actually. If Abrego-Garcia just went home, he'd be a free man.

If he stands trial, then he will likely be convicted of his crimes, and sentenced to Federal prison. Upon release from Federal prison, Abrego-Garcia would be deported. If acquitted, he will be deported after his trial. Either way, he is deported.

Funny how MAGA-mites like you tried to make the point that Trump couldn't get a fair trial because voir dire wouldn't find an impartial jury that wasn't exposed to damaging commentary...but this guy can. And no, my comment isn't whataboutism as I am mentioning a comparison.

Based on your post, one would almost think you would rather him just be deported instead of standing trial for his crimes and being punished if found guilty.

 

[CLAX1911]

I don't understand why we're doing trials for illegal aliens they're not immigrants by the way they're aliens.

Just kick him out and say you can never come back. That's not a sentence just sending them back to where they came from like their country deal with it.

 

[SkyChief]

Funny how MAGA-mites like you . .

MAGA-mites??? REALLY?? Name-calling? How juvenile.

tried to make the point that Trump couldn't get a fair trial because voir dire wouldn't find an impartial jury that wasn't exposed to damaging commentary...but this guy can.

ButWhatAboutTrumpButWhatAboutTrumpButWhatAboutTrump . . . .

And no, my comment isn't whataboutism as I am mentioning a comparison.

Of COURSE it is. It's TEXTBOOK whataboutism.

Based on your post, one would almost think you would rather him just be deported instead of standing trial for his crimes and being punished if found guilty.

Based on your post, you cannot formulate a sensible argument.

 

[What if...?]

No. You made that up.


Abrego-Garcia will have a fair trial and get his "due process". Because the voir dire process will immediately exclude any prospective jurors who paid attention to, or were in some way exposed to (damaging) commentary by HSS Kristi Noem or A.G. Pam Bondi.

If I were Abrego-Garcia (and had committed the egregious crimes that he did), I would return to my home country, and relocate my family. Which is all the DoJ wants him to do, actually. If Abrego-Garcia just went home, he'd be a free man.

If he stands trial, then he will likely be convicted of his crimes, and sentenced to Federal prison. Upon release from Federal prison, Abrego-Garcia would be deported. If acquitted, he will be deported after his trial. Either way, he is deported.

Your presumption of guilt of heinous crimes based solely on slander by trumpco is kinda shameful.

 

[SkyChief]

Your presumption of guilt of heinous crimes based solely on slander by trumpco is kinda shameful.

By heinous crimes I was referring to Abrego-Garcia beating his wife in front of her children. That's not slander by Noem or Bondi. That's from Abrego Garcia's wife - she filed a protective order against him in 2021 because he beat her and injured her eye. This required her to file a legal affidavit which described the beating, and she did, so the battery is documented.

There is nothing for me to be ashamed of. If anyone should be ashamed, it's you.

Abrego-Garcia is a violent man, in the U.S. illegally, and will ultimately be deported.

 

[CaughtInThe]

By heinous crimes I was referring to Abrego-Garcia beating his wife in front of her children. That's not slander by Noem or Bondi. That's from Abrego Garcia's wife - she filed a protective order against him in 2021 because he beat her and injured her eye. This required her to file a legal affidavit which described the beating, and she did, so the battery is documented.

There is nothing for me to be ashamed of. If anyone should be ashamed, it's you.

The man is in the U.S. illegally, and will ultimately be deported.

Are you also for us executing laws against pedophiles and things like that?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You do understand his point that when you have such high profile people talking about a singular case it makes it almost impossible for the defendant to get a fair trial?

If you were awaiting trial and those people started talking about you in the same way and being completely against you I take it you'd have zero problem with that?

It would be "different" if it was @SkyChief on trial because he's a white male Christian Nationalist.

 

[What if...?]

By heinous crimes I was referring to Abrego-Garcia beating his wife in front of her children. That's not slander by Noem or Bondi. That's from Abrego Garcia's wife - she filed a protective order against him in 2021 because he beat her and injured her eye. This required her to file a legal affidavit which described the beating, and she did, so the battery is documented.

There is nothing for me to be ashamed of. If anyone should be ashamed, it's you.

Abrego-Garcia is a violent man, in the U.S. illegally, and will ultimately be deported.

I was referring to the plural “heinous crimes”.

By heinous crimes I was referring to Abrego-Garcia beating his wife in front of her children. That's not slander by Noem or Bondi. That's from Abrego Garcia's wife - she filed a protective order against him in 2021 because he beat her and injured her eye. This required her to file a legal affidavit which described the beating, and she did, so the battery is documented.

There is nothing for me to be ashamed of. If anyone should be ashamed, it's you.

Abrego-Garcia is a violent man, in the U.S. illegally, and will ultimately be deported.

She did withdraw the charges.

So he was not convicted.

So you want someone punished for a crime they were not convicted of.

So back to the “should be ashamed” position.

 

[SkyChief]

I was referring to the plural “heinous crimes”.

She did withdraw the charges.

So he was not convicted.

Nobody argued that he was convicted. The violent man beat his wife and injured her. The battery is documented.

So you want someone punished for a crime they were not convicted of.

What a lame straw-man. No, I don't want him punished for a crime he was NOT convicted of. I want that violent man to be deported - not punished.. And he will be. Eventually - probably after his criminal trial in January.

So back to the “should be ashamed” position.

Your mistaken feeling of moral superiority is so misplaced, which is typical.

 

[What if...?]

Nobody argued that he was convicted. The violent man beat his wife and injured her. The battery is documented.

What a lame straw-man. No, I don't want him punished for a crime he was NOT convicted of. I want that violent man to be deported - not punished.. And he will be. Eventually - probably after his criminal trial in January.

Your mistaken feelings of moral superiority is so misplaced, which is typical.

Allegedly.

Why am I sure you don’t find it acceptable to say Trump did things he wasn’t convicted of?

 

[What if...?]

Nobody argued that he was convicted. The violent man beat his wife and injured her. The battery is documented.

What a lame straw-man. No, I don't want him punished for a crime he was NOT convicted of. I want that violent man to be deported - not punished.. And he will be. Eventually - probably after his criminal trial in January.

Your mistaken feeling of moral superiority is so misplaced, which is typical.

You go right ahead and continue to cheer this administration wiping its ass with the constitution.

It’s a GREAT look!

 

[SkyChief]

Allegedly.

Why am I sure you don’t find it acceptable to say Trump did things he wasn’t convicted of?

Because this thread is not about Trump - it's specifically about the illegal immigrant seeking to silence DoJ and DHS officials. Read the thread title - that's the topic of this thread.

If you want to discuss Trump's crimes, there are literally hundreds of other threads on this forum for that.

You go right ahead and continue to cheer this administration wiping its ass with the constitution.

It’s a GREAT look!

wow. what a remarkably lame argument!

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

Unfortunately for you, and for those two Nazi ****s, the first Amendment does not cover slander and libel.

The man in question has not committed a crime. Those charges are bogus and they were created by a bogus and corrupt DOJ. Once dumpletits is out of office, there will be many from the DOJ who lose their jobs, licenses, and freedom.

It times the reich-wing to remove their heads from dumpy's diaper.

 

[NotreDame]

Lawyers representing Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, (who presently is in ICE custody awaiting Criminal Trial for Human Trafficking charges) asked Judges to muzzle Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi from making disparaging comments about their client, Abrego-Garcia.

“To safeguard his right to a fair trial, Mr. Abrego respectfully renews his earlier requests that the Court order that all DOJ and DHS officials involved in this case, and all officials in their supervisory chain, including [Bondi and Noem], refrain from making extrajudicial comments that pose a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this proceeding,”
Abrego-Garcia's attorneys wrote.

an unnamed DHS official responded:
“If Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not want to be mentioned by the Secretary of Homeland Security, then he should have not entered our country illegally and committed heinous crimes. Once again, the media is falling all over themselves to defend this criminal illegal MS-13 gang member who is an alleged human trafficker, domestic abuser, and child predator. The media’s sympathetic narrative about this criminal illegal alien has completely fallen apart, yet they continue to peddle his sob story.”

source of quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=e1f37b074469413c94fba2bf86cda998&ei=25
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IMO, the DoJ should not be permitted to revoke 1st Amendment rights to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Attorney General Pam Bondi, or any other American citizen, for that matter. That makes a very slippery slope.

What slippery slope? Requesting government actors refrain from public comments constituting as “substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing” the trial or proceedings.

So, where’s the slippery slope?

 

[SkyChief]

What slippery slope? Requesting government actors refrain from public comments constituting as “substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing” the trial or proceedings.

So, where’s the slippery slope?

The slippery slope is the DoJ revoking 1st Amendment rights on selected individuals. If the Justice Department has the power to suspend 1st Amendment rights for some citizens, then they can (and would) easily make the case for suspending 1st Amendment rights for ALL citizens. (If and when it suits them.)