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If your child's teacher did this, would you pull them from class?

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Yosemite High science teacher changing gender to 'authentic self' | Local News | FresnoBee.com

fter spring break, 24-year Yosemite High School science and multimedia teacher Gary Sconce will return to teach as her true self, she says: Karen Adell Scot.The 56-year-old husband, father and award-winning teacher came out to family in April that since early childhood, she's felt like a female trapped in a male body. Since then, Sconce has been undergoing hormone replacement therapy and transitioning into Scot.
It's been a scary and emotionally painful transformation, but one she says was necessary. For more than half a century, Scot said, her condition -- gender dysphoria -- has made her feel like she was suffocating beneath a massive wave, struggling, but never prevailing, to reach the surface for a sweet breath of fresh air.
"It's like getting out of dark solitary confinement in prison where you never saw the light," said Scot of embracing her female identity. "You can't believe that you actually are free ... People say it's like a mental illness but it's not ... It's being your authentic self after being a fake you."

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Good for her. I think she's doing it pretty much the right way. I would have waited till summer, but to each her own in this case. An interesting situation for all involved, I hope she finds happiness moving forward.
 
To each his own, but I don't think we should celebrate mental illness. Disassociation from the reality that he is a man is a serious problem that should be treated appropriately. Appropriately does not mean celebrating and reinforcing the delusion. We don't celebrate the schizophrenics that believe the POTUS is an alien from planet Xenon Y3 so why celebrate men (or women) that can't come to terms with their own bodies?
 
Well in the story there were parents wigging out, and the comments section is dripping with some serious hate.

And some support. I feel sorry for her family if she didn't tell her wife prior to their wedding. I wouldn't pull my son out of class unless she went all LGBT activist and became a distraction, I don't see that being the case here.
 
ksu_aviator said:
To each his own, but I don't think we should celebrate mental illness. Disassociation from the reality that he is a man is a serious problem that should be treated appropriately. Appropriately does not mean celebrating and reinforcing the delusion. We don't celebrate the schizophrenics that believe the POTUS is an alien from planet Xenon Y3 so why celebrate men (or women) that can't come to terms with their own bodies?
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We are celebrating someone coming to terms with who she is. You're the one with the problem here, not her.
 
MrVicchio said:
We are celebrating someone coming to terms with who she is. You're the one with the problem here, not her.
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No, you and him are the ones with problems.

Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.

Gender identity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Why celebrate such a decision when the decision is a result of an mental disorder? What do we gain by promoting illness?
 
My kids would be out of there immediately.

The teacher is in the classroom to support my kids, my kids aren't there to support him.
 
MrVicchio said:
Yosemite High science teacher changing gender to 'authentic self' | Local News | FresnoBee.com

Good for her. I think she's doing it pretty much the right way. I would have waited till summer, but to each her own in this case. An interesting situation for all involved, I hope she finds happiness moving forward.
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I sure wouldn't pull my kid out of the school. I think my approach would be, "OMG! You've got to be kidding!! Did you have any IDEA??? Wow!! Well, let's just hope she's doing the right thing and it works out for her."

Less made of it the better, in my opinion.

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'Course you're talking to someone who's been through it (in the area) when a school principal left one summer as a man and returned transgendered as a woman. The community was pretty supportive, as I understand it. Although a small group attempted to oust her, she'd been with the school for quite a few years and, of course, was tenured. Their efforts got them nada. It happened in 2001.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Yosemite High science teacher changing gender to 'authentic self' | Local News | FresnoBee.com



Good for her. I think she's doing it pretty much the right way. I would have waited till summer, but to each her own in this case. An interesting situation for all involved, I hope she finds happiness moving forward.
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So...(s)he feels the need to not only change gender but also names including the family name?

This is high school? I'd probably let things ride unless it all got to be a distraction. If the kids were younger I'd probably ask for a change.

As an aside, that before/after pic is.....not flattering.
 
ksu_aviator said:
No, you and him are the ones with problems.



Why celebrate such a decision when the decision is a result of an mental disorder? What do we gain by promoting illness?
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The cause of the illness is their biologic state as male, you can tell them to keep being tortured souls and hating themselves or you can show compassion and understand being transgender is not fun, not something you wish on anyone and help them find inner peace.
 
No i wouldnt. Doesnt bother me one bit. Welcome to reality folks.
 
MrVicchio said:
We are celebrating someone coming to terms with who she is. You're the one with the problem here, not her.
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Man..I don't know about the teacher not having a problem. If you want to change not only your sex but also your name you've got some serious bats in your belfry. How those bats got there isn't really the issue and I'm not so sure that a sex change is going to eradicate them.
 
Lutherf said:
Man..I don't know about the teacher not having a problem. If you want to change not only your sex but also your name you've got some serious bats in your belfry. How those bats got there isn't really the issue and I'm not so sure that a sex change is going to eradicate them.
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Being trans IS a problem, it's not normal. It's destructive to those that suffer. Asking them to keep suffering for your feelings or opinion of right and wrong is just evil.

I'm not disagreeing that there are family issues here, however that wasn't addressed in the article in any depth nor is it the focus of this thread.

HOWEVER, if she got married, lived in the closet and lied to the person she promised she would dedicate her life to, well... that's not right either. Tell her before hand and let her decide. Doing so afterwards... just selfish.
 
MrVicchio said:
The cause of the illness is their biologic state as male, you can tell them to keep being tortured souls and hating themselves or you can show compassion and understand being transgender is not fun, not something you wish on anyone and help them find inner peace.
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Well, should we kill the president because some schizophrenic believes the president is an alien from planet Xenon Y13a that is here to destroy humanity? You can't accommodate people's delusions just because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or because it is easier than dealing with the problem.
 
MrVicchio said:
Being trans IS a problem, it's not normal. It's destructive to those that suffer. Asking them to keep suffering for your feelings or opinion of right and wrong is just evil.

I'm not disagreeing that there are family issues here, however that wasn't addressed in the article in any depth nor is it the focus of this thread.

HOWEVER, if she got married, lived in the closet and lied to the person she promised she would dedicate her life to, well... that's not right either. Tell her before hand and let her decide. Doing so afterwards... just selfish.
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I don't have any animosity toward this person. If they're happy with what they're doing then more power to them but my first thought is a pretty damned long way off from "That should fix things".

My concern is for the kids just as it would be for any other teacher. If what the teacher is doing effects the kids then I want a different teacher.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Well, should we kill the president because some schizophrenic believes the president is an alien from planet Xenon Y13a that is here to destroy humanity? You can't accommodate people's delusions just because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or because it is easier than dealing with the problem.
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How should they deal with the problem? "Oh sorry every moment of your life is sheer torture. Sorry you wake up and feel completely disconnected with your body. Sorry when you get dressed, go to work each hour is a living hell. It's all in your head see, just ignore it and it will go away! You just have to accept your were born male/female and while science can do a lot to correct this well we NORMAL people who have no disconnect with our genetic birth just don't care, it's not "normal". You have to be normal. So stop crying and be like the rest of us. Freak."


Good show KSU. Good show.
 
Lutherf said:
I don't have any animosity toward this person. If they're happy with what they're doing then more power to them but my first thought is a pretty damned long way off from "That should fix things".

My concern is for the kids just as it would be for any other teacher. If what the teacher is doing effects the kids then I want a different teacher.
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I won't disagree that if it becomes a distraction for the kids it's a problem (kinda why I said do it over the summer so that no current student is faced with such. I think it would be over all easier).
 
Nope, not at all. She's still the same person and will probably be a better teacher now that she can be her trueself.
 
Congrats to MrVicchio for such a good OP. That being said no, and from a student's perspective, I would have no problem. Of course I would be somewhat uncomfortable with my teacher being changed to such a degree but I can't see why that would be a problem.
 
MrVicchio said:
How should they deal with the problem? "Oh sorry every moment of your life is sheer torture. Sorry you wake up and feel completely disconnected with your body. Sorry when you get dressed, go to work each hour is a living hell. It's all in your head see, just ignore it and it will go away! You just have to accept your were born male/female and while science can do a lot to correct this well we NORMAL people who have no disconnect with our genetic birth just don't care, it's not "normal". You have to be normal. So stop crying and be like the rest of us. Freak."


Good show KSU. Good show.
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I think we do them a disservice when we support their mental illness rather than working to resolve the problem. Whether the resolution is therapy, drugs or some combination, there must be something better than participating in their delusions.
 
MrVicchio said:
Yosemite High science teacher changing gender to 'authentic self' | Local News | FresnoBee.com



Good for her. I think she's doing it pretty much the right way. I would have waited till summer, but to each her own in this case. An interesting situation for all involved, I hope she finds happiness moving forward.
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No, I wouldn't pull my child from the class.

As I read the title and pulled this up, I was thinking of the different horrible things a teacher might do and this scenario didn't even cross my mind.
 
ksu_aviator said:
To each his own, but I don't think we should celebrate mental illness. Disassociation from the reality that he is a man is a serious problem that should be treated appropriately. Appropriately does not mean celebrating and reinforcing the delusion. We don't celebrate the schizophrenics that believe the POTUS is an alien from planet Xenon Y3 so why celebrate men (or women) that can't come to terms with their own bodies?
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The article says nothing about "celebrating" anything and the OP only asks if you would pull your child out of that teacher's class
 
ksu_aviator said:
I think we do them a disservice when we support their mental illness rather than working to resolve the problem. Whether the resolution is therapy, drugs or some combination, there must be something better than participating in their delusions.
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So you dont know. You are making an uneducated speculation that drugs and some magic therapy will help.

To transition, one has to try those steps. Intensive therapy before you even think about hrt. Let alone surgery.
 
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