faithful_servant
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The black panther party is a source of pride for many african americans in the united states. Yes most view it as racist, but not all. Just like the confederate flag. It is a part of african american history, and they do represent parts of that culture. Just like the confederate flag. Why would one be more appropriate than the other?
What We Believe:
We believe that Black People will not be free until we are able to determine our own destiny.
We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the White American business men will not give full employment, the means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.
We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules was promised 100 years ago as redistribution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities: the Germans are now aiding the Jews in Israel for genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered 6,000,000 Jews. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of over 50,000,000 Black people; therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make.
We believe that if the White landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make a decent housing for its people.
The black panther party is a source of pride for many african americans in the united states. Yes most view it as racist, but not all. Just like the confederate flag. It is a part of african american history, and they do represent parts of that culture. Just like the confederate flag. Why would one be more appropriate than the other?
We believe in an educational system that will give our people a knowledge of self. If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else.
We believe that Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like Black people, are being victimized by the White racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, by whatever means necessary.
We believe we can end police brutality in our Black community by organizing Black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our Black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States gives us the right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all Black people should arm themselves for self-defense.
We believe that all Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.
We believe that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so that Black people will receive fair trials. The 14th Amendment of the U.S Constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peers. A peer is a persons from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical, and racial background. To do this the court will be forced to select a jury from the Black community from which the Black defendant came. We have been, and are being tried by all White juries that have no understanding of “the average reasoning man” of the Black community.
When in the course of human events, it become necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature’s god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, and that all men are created equal that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,--that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its power in a such a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accused. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, and their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards of their future security.[2]
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racism bolded...
Racism bolded....
FFFFFEEEEEEEEAAAAARRRR! FEAR those SCAAAARRRY Black Panthers!
All the few thousand of them.
As of 2009, the NBPP claimed a few thousand members organized in 45 chapters, while independent estimates by the Anti-Defamation League suggest that the group is much smaller but is nevertheless able to attract a large turnout of non-members (some of whom may not even realize what this group actually stands for) to its events by focusing on specific issues of local interest.
Whereas when it comes to right-wing militias:
Radical anti-government "patriot" groups and militias, galvanized against gun control, will continue to grow even as the number of groups operating in the USAreached an all-time high in 2012, a report Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center finds.
The center tracked 1,360 radical militias and anti-government groups in 2012, an eightfold increase over 2008, when it recorded 149 such groups. The explosive growth began four years ago, sparked by the election of President Obama and anger about the poor economy, the center says. That growth is likely to continue as the groups recruit more members with a pro-gun message, the center's senior fellow Mark Potok said.
But remember, kids - y'all really shouldn't worry about 1300+ anti-government 'patriot' groups (oxymoron alert!), each with tens or scores of members! Y'all just need to worry about that ONE group of scary black guys.
And kids! Just ignore the fact that right-wing militia groups have a long history of committing just about every felony on the books, from smuggling and rape and murder up to and including bombings (plural) - all you really need to know is that those Really Scary Black Guys in the New Black Panther Party were ALLEGED to have intimidated voters ONCE (with no firearms in sight).
Just remember, it's unAmerican to watch out for those right-wing militia groups no matter what they do ('cause Patriotism!), but it's our solemn duty as American citizens to warn all and sundry about the New Black Panther Party, even if they haven't been convicted of anything at all....
Do you think it would be difficult for me to find examples of racism with the confederate flag? Confederate state declarations over the years? And while some people view it that way, I am sure some view it as a symbol of pride and heritage for their race. Sound familiar?
If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.
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Not fear, FACTS. The BPs are a racist organization. Their very identity is based on race and race related ideas.
If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.
You are not offending enough folks with that flag.Both groups should just fly this flag and problem solved. I can't imagine anyone possibly objecting to it.
TRANSLATED ANSWER: No, it was not racism, but an act of legal commerce.The driving force behind slavery was economic, BUT dehumanizing the slave helps to morally justify having one person work for another under slave conditions. Thus it helps to, say, compare a black man to a monkey. Today we see human trafficking closely linked to “whores” who are completely dehumanized and abused in the sex trade. Same concept.When the black folks were sold into slavery (which was legal) was that an act of racism or just legal commerce?
Exactly.I don’t think so, no.When black folks in this country owned slaves was that racism?
Conquering army? I did not mention any such invasion by an army, as that was not the capturing and enslaving I was talking about.But, to answer your question, when you’re a conquering army you don’t need to morally justify anything. You can pretty much do what you want.
The point is that the act of slavery in that specific was not based on racism just as the others are not.I don’t see that situation analogous to that of blacks in the U.S.
You are not offending enough folks with that flag.
Try this one.
If you've been watching the news recently, you'll know of the huge debate in the U.S over the role of the Confederate flag in contemporary America. Many see it as a reminder of the many pre-Civil War injustices while others see it simply as a way to honor the soldiers who died for the Confederacy. Many large US companies, like Walmart and Amazon, have already banned the sale of any Confederate flag merchandise as a reaction to the recent events. Now, it appears that Apple has decided to join them by pulling many Civil War wargames from the App Store. As of the writing of this story, games like Ultimate General: Gettysburg and all the Hunted Cow Civil War games are nowhere to be found.
Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store Because of the Confederate Flag | Touch Arcade
Yesterday, Apple pulled a number of games that contained the U.S. Confederate flag from the app store without warning. Today, one of those games is highlighted on Steam’s front page—and players are rallying around it.
Civil War Game Pulled From Apple Store Now Doing Great On Steam
Here in SD we have tribal symbols on public buildings, like a religious totem poll at one of the highschools; and natives lost that war too.If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.
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TRANSLATED ANSWER: No, it was not racism, but an act of legal commerce.
Whether or not it was dehumanizing to those who were not considered human is irrelevant to the fact that is was an act of legal commerce and not based on hatred or racism.
Conquering army? I did not mention any such invasion by an army, as that was not the capturing and enslaving I was talking about.
There is a much wider scope involved here. These folk attacked ships and sailed up the coasts invading villages and taking their slaves.
While you can call them invaders, it wasn't an army at war.
Here in SD we have tribal symbols on public buildings, like a religious totem poll at one of the highschools; and natives lost that war too.
Essential truth.Yeah, but we're really talking about the flag, not slavery. I mean, why would Georgia, for example, put a huge Confederate Battle Flag on its state flag in 1956, almost 100 years after slavery ended? The fact is you had a lot of white folks who didn't like blacks in their schools, restaurants, hotels, parks, etc, and they wanted to send a message to the country and federal government that no one was going to tell them how they should treat their niggers.
Since the other person hasn't replied, is there anyone else who would like to answer the questions posed?
Tribal high school?
You are not offending enough folks with that flag.
Try this one.
And more sadly, the tendency is to demand that others support our sociopolitical views or else they are targeted to be demonized and, if possible, crushed. Such is a very unhealthy thing for a people who presumably value liberty. Such as people not being allowed to assign their own interpretation of the Confederate flag and declared racist if they do not see it in the politically correct definition.
"Spielberg's Schindler's List did not try to amend his movie to look more comfortable. The historical Gettysburg movie (1993) is still on iTunes. We believe that all historical art forms: books, movies, or games such as ours, help to learn and understand history, depicting events as they were. True stories are more important to us than money," Thomadis wrote. "Therefore, we are not going to amend the game's content and Ultimate General: Gettysburg will no longer be available on App Store. We really hope that Apple's decision will achieve the desired results. We can't change history, but we can change the future."
Read more: Apple Removes Confederate Flag-Bearing Games From App Store | Rolling Stone
That sounds all well and good...and I agree with that, to a certain extent. But there will be situations that will test your attitude.
For example, let's suppose the City of Charleston has a parade...maybe a 4th of July parade...and a group of Civil War enacters want to participate. Should the city refuse them if they carry that flag?
Or, for example, LGBT folks want to take part in a city-sponsored parade...should they be allowed to fly their rainbow flag?
I know you are talking about government buildings and I'm talking about parades, but this whole Charleston thing is about a war memorial. The only thing they all have in common is government involvement.
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