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If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

Which would you support on federal or state property?

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Same here.
 
I don't see the Black Power as remotely analogous to the CF...
 
Anyone notice a resemblance and can tell me what each flag represents?



(Hint: The flag on the left represents hate and racism. The one on the right represents the state whose nickname is "The Peach State.")
 
Ahlevah said:
The flag on the left represents hate and racism.
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The flag was deliberately modeled on the U.S. flag, as the South claimed to be upholding the true heritage and intent of the Founders.
Georgia​
 
Excon said:
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The flag was deliberately modeled on the U.S. flag, as the South claimed to be upholding the true heritage and intent of the Founders.
Georgia​
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Actually, the inspiration for the Prussian designer of the Stars and Bars was the flag of Austria:



And why do I get the sense the intent of my post flew right over your head?
 
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Excon said:
From the same link.
"Some say the design was modeled as well on the Austrian flag (the designer was a Prussian)."
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Okay, you win. And some would say the Confederate Battle Flag was modeled on the Cross of St. Andrews. Others say it represents hate and racism. Is the fog lifting yet so you can stop focusing on the fluff and see what my real point was?
 

You could say literally all of these same things about the KKK. Does that mean they should be allowed to have a federal or state monument and a flag?

At the end of the day, the Panthers are nothing more than a fringe radical group. They don't speak for a majority of African Americans. They barely even speak for a minority.

The C.S.A. was something different entirely. If you have Southern ancestry, you ancestors were a part of it, and many of them probably fought or died in defense of it. It is an inescapable aspect of Southern history. There is really no reason why that history should necessarily be a source of shame, and nothing else.
 
Ahlevah said:
Okay, you win. And some would say the Confederate Battle Flag was modeled on the Cross of St. Andrews. Others say it represents hate and racism. Is the fog lifting yet so you can stop focusing on the fluff and see what my real point was?
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:doh This isn't about winning.
This is about accuracy.
The flag didn't represent hate. That is spin that needs to be corrected.

So let me ask.
When the black folks were sold into slavery (which was legal) was that an act of racism or just legal commerce? Hell, it is even happening in today's day and age.
When black folks in this country owned slaves was that racism?
When the Black Moors captured and enslaved over a million white folks, was that racism?​

Even though folks did think less of slaves, slavery wasn't based on hate or racism and neither was the desire to keep a legal product legal.
 
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Since the other person hasn't replied, is there anyone else who would like to answer the questions posed?
 
The only flag our government should fly is the American flag and the flags of the states those government buildings are in.Our government should not be flying other countries flags and the flags of special interests groups.
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jamesrage said:
The only flag our government should fly is the American flag and the flags of the states those government buildings are in.Our government should not be flying other countries flags and the flags of special interests groups.
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That sounds all well and good...and I agree with that, to a certain extent. But there will be situations that will test your attitude.

For example, let's suppose the City of Charleston has a parade...maybe a 4th of July parade...and a group of Civil War enacters want to participate. Should the city refuse them if they carry that flag?

Or, for example, LGBT folks want to take part in a city-sponsored parade...should they be allowed to fly their rainbow flag?

I know you are talking about government buildings and I'm talking about parades, but this whole Charleston thing is about a war memorial. The only thing they all have in common is government involvement.
 

Both groups should just fly this flag and problem solved. I can't imagine anyone possibly objecting to it.

 

It is in fact a difficult call. What is a government allowed to do? Where draw the line? This is partisan political expression as sure as Obama saying that people can keep their insurance policies.
 
Excon said:
Since the other person hasn't replied, is there anyone else who would like to answer the questions posed?
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Okay, I'll bite.

Excon said:
When the black folks were sold into slavery (which was legal) was that an act of racism or just legal commerce?
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The driving force behind slavery was economic, BUT dehumanizing the slave helps to morally justify having one person work for another under slave conditions. Thus it helps to, say, compare a black man to a monkey. Today we see human trafficking closely linked to “whores” who are completely dehumanized and abused in the sex trade. Same concept.

Excon said:
When black folks in this country owned slaves was that racism?
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I don’t think so, no.

Excon said:
When the Black Moors captured and enslaved over a million white folks, was that racism?
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In the first place, it’s questionable whether the Moors were “black.” (Most anthropologists would call them “Arab” or “Berber.”) But, to answer your question, when you’re a conquering army you don’t need to morally justify anything. You can pretty much do what you want. I don’t see that situation analogous to that of blacks in the U.S.

Basically, my view is this. I don’t view the Confederate Battle Flag as “racist” per se. It’s a piece of American history that deserves a place in it, and I think some of the efforts to completely wipe it from our collective conscience are misguided. It’s almost as if there’s an orgy to utterly eradicate it. I find this unfortunate. While some have expropriated it as a symbol of hate and racism, I don't think that's completely historically accurate. Having lived in Mississippi for more than two decades and with deep roots here, it's also viewed by many whites and even some blacks as a symbol of "Southern Pride." BUT the fact is that emblem emerged as a defiant response to federal action regarding blacks, both in the latter part of the 19th Century when Mississippi placed it on its flag after altering its constitution and largely disenfranchising blacks, and during the 1950s when some states incorporated it into their state flags as blow-back to the Civil Rights movement and the forced dismantling of Jim Crow.
 

If they also represented the history and culture of the country, sure. I dont think anyone would day the black panthers flag represents the US, or the confederate flag. This controversy is about a state, which it DOES represent.
 
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Because the Black Panthers are an EXPLICITLY racist group and the Battle Flag of the Confederacy is implicitly racist. With the BPs racism is THE core element in their organization, with the BFoC, in most cases, racism is assigned to it by those who view it with those who fly for racist purposes being in the VAST minority.
 


Racism bolded....
 
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