"if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W:804

[apdst]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The point he is making, and that you are missing, is that it takes both.

Personal initiative can replace the rest of those factors, however nothing can replace personal initiative.

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

It would put people to work. Duh!!

Two more words: Keystone. Pipeline.

It might put some more to work. Would it really fix our economy?

 

[apdst]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

It might put some more to work. Would it really fix our economy?

It sure as hell won't hurt! Duh!! :rofl

What sense does it make--with record unemployment--to pass up on a single private sector created job?

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The point he is making, and that you are missing, is that it takes both.

But which was not his point. Obama characterized government of the people and by the people as "help", rather than the extension of each of us, for which we contribute and pay, and hopefully derive a share of that benefit for which we have claim.

Jefferson said it best. Jefferson crapped bigger than Obama, btw.

To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. Thomas Jefferson

Obama can shove his class envy BS up his ass. I plan to do it in November.

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

It sure as hell won't hurt! Duh!! :rofl

What sense does it make--with record unemployment--to pass up on a single private sector created job?

We could lift the ban on asbestos for fireproofing in buildings, too. That would certainly put some people to work as well. Why the **** not, right?

Personally, I'd rather save the oil for when we need it, apdst. That's called thinking long-term.

 

[apdst]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

We could lift the ban on asbestos for fireproofing in buildings, too. That would certainly put some people to work as well. Why the **** not, right?

Don't swing into the rediculous. Please?

Personally, I'd rather save the oil for when we need it, apdst. That's called thinking long-term.

No, that's called treehuggin' ignorance. You're taking the definite in trade for a maybe. You're telling people that they have to go hungry, because we might kill a couple of trees.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Personal initiative can replace the rest of those factors,

No, it can't.

 

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Two words: Drilling. Moratorium.

Actually, no. Drilling for more oil is not going to get us out of our current economic woes. Domestic oil production has actually soared under Obama and is higher than at any time since 2003. That is a fact and there are many trade publications and independent news sources that can back that up. The problem is that increased oil production does not bring down domestic gas prices. It never has, although their is a lot of myth surrounding this idea. Drill baby drill is not the magic pill that so many on the right would like you to believe it to be.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

You are calling hard-working people fleas? Or who exactly represents the fleas in that scenario (and, please, tie it back to his speech)? GL HF with that, TD.

the people who think that by merely existing they are entitled to the wealth of others

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

the people who think that by merely existing they are entitled to the wealth of others

What does that have to do with this thread?

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

the people who think that by merely existing they are entitled to the wealth of others

OMFG, would someone please cut off that irony alarm!! :lamo

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

What does that have to do with this thread?

gee did you read the title of this thread?

 

[apdst]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No, it can't.

Yes, it can. I guess one has to have first hand experience to understand that.

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Don't swing into the rediculous. Please?

No, that's called treehuggin' ignorance. You're taking the definite in trade for a maybe. You're telling people that they have to go hungry, because we might kill a couple of trees.

There is not one job that, ethically speaking, you stand for cutting? You want to cut government jobs. You want those people to go hungry? I am sure you want to cut abortion clinic jobs. You want them to go hungry? Can we get back on topic>

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

gee did you read the title of this thread?

I asked you to tie it back. Go on, tie it back to what he was saying.

 

[Bronson]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Actually, no. Drilling for more oil is not going to get us out of our current economic woes. Domestic oil production has actually soared under Obama and is higher than at any time since 2003. That is a fact and there are many trade publications and independent news sources that can back that up. The problem is that increased oil production does not bring down domestic gas prices. It never has, although their is a lot of myth surrounding this idea. Drill baby drill is not the magic pill that so many on the right would like you to believe it to be.

Lies and propaganda

Domestic Drilling is DOWN on Federal lands and the Obama Administration has ceased giving out new permits for new drilling and exploration on Federal Lands

The increase in domestic drilling is on PRIVATE LAND. Where this is happening there is a 3.2% Unemployment rate. Your Green Tech Utopia failed. Time to start fracking.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

OMFG, would someone please cut off that irony alarm!! :lamo

that is funny coming from the epitome of a steam driven Panasonic

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Yes, it can. I guess one has to have first hand experience to understand that.

Which uninhabited island do you live on? Good job hooking up the internet.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I asked you to tie it back. Go on, tie it back to what he was saying.

what was the theme of this thread again?

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Lies and propaganda

Domestic Drilling is DOWN on Federal lands and the Obama Administration has ceased giving out new permits for new drilling and exploration on Federal Lands

The increase in domestic drilling is on PRIVATE LAND. Where this is happening there is a 3.2% Unemployment rate. Your Green Tech Utopia failed. Time to start fracking.

How is green tech failing? Seems to be doing better than ever to me.

I guess it's failing like the Higgs Boson was failing for a few years there, right? LOL

what was the theme of this thread again?

People who can't read/listen? I don't know.

 

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The part he's missing out on, is that without individual initiative, you got nothing. Indivual initiative can make up for the lack of the rest of it, but none of that combined can replace individual initiative.

once again, he is not suggesting that government can replace individual initiative. Not sure what part of his speech made you come to that conclusion. What he is saying, however, is that individual initiative ALONE cannot build a business. It takes the cooperation and contribution of citizens and government alike, both past and present. It's really not that radical of an idea and has, in fact, been the philosophy driving the American capitalist system for generations now! Not sure why so many conservatives are trying so hard to shape this speech as something radical or new in regards to business and government relations.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

How is green tech failing? Seems to be doing better than ever to me.

I guess it's failing like the Higgs Boson was failing for a few years there, right? LOL



People who can't read/listen? I don't know.

shall we compare reading skills?

the attitude that those who prosper somehow should be taxed more to pay those who supposedly contributed to their success is akin to fleas saying that they are responsible for a healthy dog's blood supply

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

once again, he is not suggesting that government can replace individual initiative. Not sure what part of his speech made you come to that conclusion. What he is saying, however, is that individual initiative ALONE cannot build a business. It takes the cooperation and contribution of citizens and government alike, both past and present. It's really not that radical of an idea and has, in fact, been the philosophy driving the American capitalist system for generations now! Not sure why so many conservatives are trying so hard to shape this speech as something radical or new in regards to business and government relations.

Show me who was not compensated for their "contribution". Which would kind of make it not typical of the definition of a "contribution". :roll:

Edit in: To help you out, here is an online definition for "contribute":

1. to give (money, time, knowledge, assistance, etc.) to a common supply, fund, etc., as for charitable purposes.

Show us all the charity.

 

[zeusomally]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Lies and propaganda

Domestic Drilling is DOWN on Federal lands and the Obama Administration has ceased giving out new permits for new drilling and exploration on Federal Lands

The increase in domestic drilling is on PRIVATE LAND. Where this is happening there is a 3.2% Unemployment rate. Your Green Tech Utopia failed. Time to start fracking.

Once again, domestic production(doesn't matter if it is on fed or private lands for the sake of the economic argument) is way up under Obama and, once again, an increase in domestic production does not translate to lower fuel prices. Research it. Here is a good place to start: More US drilling didn't drop gas price - CBS News
Fox News can scream all they want about the Keystone pipeline, but there is simply no economic evidence that we are going to be able to drill our way out of this recession.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

shall we compare reading skills?

the attitude that those who prosper somehow should be taxed more to pay those who supposedly contributed to their success is akin to fleas saying that they are responsible for a healthy dog's blood supply

Just so I understand ... in this case the people who, e.g. built and paid for the interstate highway system would be the fleas? And the folks who protect you and your family from criminals, fires, and foreign enemies ... also fleas?