"if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W:804

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The right wing . . .

Perhaps you just have trouble unbderstanding just what people say in plain English. I know what Obama said. I was just commenting on how the right-wing is responding.

And citing Fox News does not help your case by any stretch of the imagination.

What Obama said is not "stupid". It might be absurd if analyzed for its factual merit, but its intent was not to be factual. Obama knows that his supporters are primarily the moocher class of America. The parasites. Those who covet what others have. He told them what they wanted to hear, and which fuels that envy so as to make it seem more justified.

Obama is smart. He fed idiot food to his idiots. And they are now well fed !

 

[pbrauer]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The problem with that is multifold.

One: the people being "rewarded" the most are also paying the most in terms of taxes. The top one percent that the left are crabbing and bitching about continuously are paying 40.6% of the total income tax burden. The next 4% or the top 5% contribute around 60% of the total income tax burden.

Those at the bottom HALF now have no income tax burden and probably recieve a refund---so any services they recieve they are not paying for.

Government needs to curb its spending, until it does so it has not proven it deserves a thin dime more. Our principle problem is uncontrollable spending---"austerity" measures are needed because the borrowed money is being used to push a growing GDP through government consumption. If government controlled spending to its budget and taxes collected, austerity wouldn't even be needed. Overspending creates the need for austerity because it creates fake growth through deficits. Eventually you have to pay that piper.

The problem is that President Obama words were taken out of context. Pure and simple. :coffeepap:

 

[lunchbox]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Out of context misquotes are so convincing. :roll:

Agreed. :roll:

This is why I would prefer to read a more full account like in the link below:

Obama says the wealthy AREN'T responsible for their own success | Mail Online

I'm curious: does anyone know whether Barack Obama ever held a regular job?

 

[vendur]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The problem is that President Obama words were taken out of context. Pure and simple. :coffeepap:

No the problem is your robotic "uh, uh, it's out of context!" claims.

It's completely in context as it is a perfect summary of what he was saying at that point of his speech.

I give a rat's ass if he mentioned apple pie or petting kittens somewhere else in the speech.

 

[Fletch]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The problem is that President Obama words were taken out of context. Pure and simple. :coffeepap:

But the context doesn't change the meaning of his words or the message he was trying to convey, so context is not the problem. The problem is the message. If he minimizes the accomplishments of the productive and pretends that the creators owe the worthless, he can justify taking from the producers and doling it out to the moochers.

 

[pbrauer]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No the problem is your robotic "uh, uh, it's out of context!" claims.

It's completely in context as it is a perfect summary of what he was saying at that point of his speech.

I give a rat's ass if he mentioned apple pie or petting kittens somewhere else in the speech.

You either cannot read or you're dishonest.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

You either cannot read or you're dishonest.

Actually, I am certian that it is because he is smarter than you. Nothing personal.

 

[hazlnut]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Is Obama really this stupid?

No.

But your taking his statement out of context is the typical far-right Obama hater stupidity.

 

[hazlnut]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Out of context misquotes are so convincing. :roll:

No doubt.

That should have been END of THEAD.

But the troll got 19 pages out of DP.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The freedoms claimed therein did not apply to many/most people.

What b.s. conspiracy theory do you have to support that unfounded claim?

Which of them were elected in a free and fair election, consisting of all the adults living in their jurisdiction? The United States at the time was not a republic, it was an oligarchy based on gender, race, and wealth. The US didn't even become a de jure republic until 1920, and it didn't become a de facto republic until 1965. None of the Founding Fathers were legitimately elected to anything...so like I said, their ideas are antiquated at best. In the 47 years that the US has actually been representative of the people, the country has never elected leaders espousing a vision like the Founding Fathers.

LMAO...what? Where do you come up with that?

If more people "took the opportunity" to use the roads more, then they would require proportionally more upkeep and therefore the new people who took the opportunity should pay taxes too.

It is their circumstances...and if you thought I said otherwise, then you must have not read my post very carefully. Obama is absolutely right that no one succeeds on their own. It doesn't even make sense to claim that you succeeded on your own...what would that even look like? Even if you started out with nothing, had an abusive family and a crappy education, but managed to succeed anyway because of your hard work and desire to learn, somewhere along the way you picked up those values. And that's a part of your life circumstances.

It has nothing to do with on your own or not, but the implication that one's success is justification for added taxation and likely redistribution of wealth.

If there was no government funding, the timeline of the world wide web would've been pushed back, and therefore the timeline of smartphones would've been pushed back.

Unlikely as the technology that lead to the smart phone had little to do with the internet. The internet was an added feature, but it was the advancement of microchips and data storage that lead to smaller and more powerful computers.

I agree that it would have still happened. But your timeline is way off. The government funding the development of the internet was a significant factor, and it wouldn't have been profitable for any private entity to do so until long after.

There were plenty of other aviators tinkering with aircraft around the same time as the Wright Brothers. There were no other significant internet pioneers working on an internet at the same time as DARPA.

There were plenty of computer scientists and one of them would have worked to have two computers talk to each other soon. We can't know what that timeline would have been, but it would have happened. It was the next logical step in computing.

 

[washunut]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

This Obama statement should be on every Romney ad and in every speech. What more needs to be discussed. If you agree that businesspeople do not create success then vote for Obama if you think there is still a place for capitalism in America vote for Romney.

This would still make it a close election as the 50% of folks who pay nothing in Federal income tax would probably agree with Obama.

Maybe Obama should say that if you find a way to vote twice we will not prosecute if you rob a store, since the stuff does not rightfully belong to the storeowner anyway.

 

[joko104]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The point of criticism was the President down talking business owners again.

 

[Kandahar]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

What b.s. conspiracy theory do you have to support that unfounded claim?

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LMAO...what? Where do you come up with that?

Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Voting Rights Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The United States didn't even pretend to represent all Americans until 1920...and it ONLY pretended until 1965. As such, I could give a damn what the Founding Fathers thought, except as a historical curiosity. They certainly weren't the cornucopias of eternal wisdom as they are now portrayed; they were never even legitimately elected to anything, and their system of government didn't work very well. I don't understand why anyone would want to emulate their vision of governance.

It has nothing to do with on your own or not, but the implication that one's success is justification for added taxation and likely redistribution of wealth.

If people didn't "make it on their own," then as far as I'm concerned that eliminates the ethical question of taxation/redistribution, and it simply becomes a matter of what level of taxation/redistribution makes the most practical sense.

 

[joko104]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

What Obama said is that government is responsible for all things and no one can do anything without government.

Notable who he left OFF the list of what helped people in their life is FAMILY and OTHER PEOPLE NOT PART OF GOVERNMENT.

Government is everything and people are nothing without it. That summarizes what he said.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

This Obama statement should be on every Romney ad and in every speech. What more needs to be discussed. If you agree that businesspeople do not create success then vote for Obama if you think there is still a place for capitalism in America vote for Romney.

This would still make it a close election as the 50% of folks who pay nothing in Federal income tax would probably agree with Obama.

Maybe Obama should say that if you find a way to vote twice we will not prosecute if you rob a store, since the stuff does not rightfully belong to the storeowner anyway.

I'm sure it will be in every Romney ad, as he's as dishonest as the day is long. No man is an island. OMG!!

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

What Obama said is that government is responsible for all things and no one can do anything without government.

No he didn't. Are you illiterate, dishonest, or both?

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I am trying to think how anyone including government helped me found and sustain my business. When I borrowed money from a bank to start it I got no help. When I payed my employees a nice wage while I ate beans I got no help. When I stayed up all night working on a broken down piece of equipment in a blizzard so it would be running when the crew showed up I got no help. When earth first nuts set everything I owned on fire I got no help. When I drove all night to Portland and back to get a part that would get my crew working the next day I got no help. When I finally started making some money I got no help but the government was right there to help itself to a cut of the profit that's for sure. Obama can KMA!

 

[Kandahar]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I am trying to think how anyone including government helped me found and sustain my business.

We'll start with the obvious: it provided you with a military, police, and courts to protect your property.

When I borrowed money from a bank to start it I got no help.

The government established the financial regulations that allowed your bank to operate and enabled depositors to trust the bank, it coordinated the credit-check systems that enabled your bank to approve you for a loan, it enforced the contract you made with the bank so that the bank knew you weren't going to take their money and run, and it created a relatively stable source of value in the US dollar.

When I payed my employees a nice wage while I ate beans I got no help.

The government most likely educated your employees.

When I stayed up all night working on a broken down piece of equipment in a blizzard so it would be running when the crew showed up I got no help.

The government plowed the streets so that your employees could get to work in a blizzard.

When earth first nuts set everything I owned on fire I got no help.

The government enforced whatever contracts you had with your insurance company.

When I drove all night to Portland and back to get a part that would get my crew working the next day I got no help.

The government built the interstate highways you drove on, so that you didn't have to spend three times as long driving on local back roads.

 

[Aberration]

I may have not done it on my own, yet the people Obama is forcing me to support had no hand either.

 

[Kandahar]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I may have not done it on my own, yet the people Obama is forcing me to support had no hand either.

They may contribute to someone else's success...just as someone contributed to yours. Pay it forward.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I may have not done it on my own, yet the people Obama is forcing me to support had no hand either.

Maybe not. And if, God forbid, you should fall on hard times, other people will support you. Nice to know that you won't be left to rot in the gutter, isn't it? Peace of mind is worth something.

 

[winston53660]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I may have not done it on my own, yet the people Obama is forcing me to support had no hand either.

Can you name these people?

 

[Aberration]

Can you name these people?

No. Just as the people who supposedly helped me cant be named either.

 

[Aberration]

Maybe not. And if, God forbid, you should fall on hard times, other people will support you. Nice to know that you won't be left to rot in the gutter, isn't it? Peace of mind is worth something.

Who are these other people who would support me? How will I not be left in the gutter? So subjective. So much rhetoric.

The only way that will happen is because of my proper planning now. Unless you have something objective to add?

My peice of mind if that I have never asked the government to take from another on my behalf.

 

[Aberration]

They may contribute to someone else's success...just as someone contributed to yours. Pay it forward.

I have paid forward magnitudes more than can be rhetorically claimed I got.