"if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W:804

[randel]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

hahahaaaaaa..... let me know when you are done reading comic books and want to get real..

Id focus on you if you made a salient point.. but consider this the end.. go back to back slapping Adam.

nah, i'd rather keep slapping you around, more fun.

 

[Bronson]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Sorry, but this is stupid. You are equating what came before in society as having some residual, and in Obama's implication, transferable debt obligation attached should I be successful using things as they are to improve my standing.

Society builds roads so as to benefit society. If two people use the same road for 4 years to go to school, and one studies harder, does better, and gets a job earning $250K per year, while the other does poorly, and earns $20K per year, the first is not owing to the second because of their success. There is no retroactive transferable obligation attached to one's successful utilization of opportunity. Yes, we owe taxes, usage fees, etc. And those rates may be progressive. But that is a different mechanism. Obama is implying that I have a retroactive obligation. I do not. Nor you.

Your illustration was ridiculous. Someone who builds a factory does so knowing what resources are currently available, and then what they will have to create. Whether an arrowhead maker 2000 years ago, or Steve Jobs now. One does not reverse engineer such as electricity, which is what your example implies as the binding obligation, in that I owe the creator of electricity so that I can run my machines. I only owe my electric bill. Electricity is there, invented and developed by those who came earlier for their own utility. They did not create it for me.

Good post but don't bother with his false premise.

DEMAND created roads. Government didn't predict the creation of the car and build roads. Roads became a necessity because of amazing innovation and Capitalism. The pursuit of profit created roads. Greed created roads. Self Interest created roads. All the Government did was hire private contractors to build roads on Federal Land.

70% of all income taxes are paid for by the top 10% but this is bizarro Obama world. The person sitting on their ass watching Oprah on welfare "built the roads", so the evil rich corporations, (these shadow entities that apparently compromise approximately zero himan beings according to the left) owe us all something.

Obama is running a campaign blatantly attacking Capitalism and spouting Marxist propaganda. That's where the Democratic Party is at this point in history.

National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Oh, they have regulation up the kazoo. They also have an endemic thing called corruption born of big centralized governments. They have something else too. Poverty, with which they couldn't enforce those regulations even if they wanted to.

Oh no, they really have very little regulation at all. That's how Shell and other oil companies have turned countries like Nigeria into stinking cess pits.

In fact it's pretty hard to be a succcesful entrepeneur if you don't have good highways and ports to move your product and receive supplies, and internet service, and police protection to keep thieves from stealing your stuff, and a good justice system to protect your intellectual property and resolve disputes, and all of the other things that government makes possible.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Good post but don't bother with his false premise.

DEMAND created roads. Government didn't predict the creation of the car and build roads. Roads became a necessity because of amazing innovation and Capitalism. The pursuit of profit created roads. Greed created roads. Self Interest created roads. All the Government did was hire private contractors to build roads on Federal Land.

70% of all income taxes are paid for by the top 10% but this is bizarro Obama world. The person sitting on their ass watching Oprah on welfare "built the roads", so the evil rich corporations, (these shadow entities that apparently compromise approximately zero himan beings according to the left) owe us all something.

Obama is running a campaign blatantly attacking Capitalism and spouting Marxist propaganda. That's where the Democratic Party is at this point in history.

National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

LOL ... with you. Good post. Reading all the liberal now-turned-communist posts here, I was momentarily wondering if such as the interstate highway builders of the '50's were not paid. If the politicians not paid. To do the work. That rather, they were compensated with promissory notes that they could pass on to any future lard-ass offspring, payable by anyone else who made something of themselves, commuting while using such roads and bridges, and that these successful folks would also realize that they were just a failure without the roads and bridges.

Who knew ! :roll:

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

So why aren't Africa, or South and Central America, for example, full of entrepeneurs and why aren't these capitalist utopias? They certainly don't have a lot of government regulation (or police protection, or infrasructure, or in many cases, reliable electricity, potable water, etc., etc.).

They are getting there. FWIW, Asia now has more millionaires than the US. A recent milestone, btw.

 

[Phoenix]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Oh no, they really have very little regulation at all. That's how Shell and other oil companies have turned countries like Nigeria into stinking cess pits.

In fact it's pretty hard to be a succcesful entrepeneur if you don't have good highways and ports to move your product and receive supplies, and internet service, and police protection to keep thieves from stealing your stuff, and a good justice system to protect your intellectual property and resolve disputes, and all of the other things that government makes possible.

Pop Quiz.
These highways, ports, police protection and justice system get paid for how? Either property taxes or income taxes.
Who pays property taxes and income taxes? Workers
Who pays workers? Businesses
How much income do governments and municipalities get other than from people employed by businesses? None.
So businesses pay for infrastructure. Ain't that a bitch.

 

[clownboy]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Oh no, they really have very little regulation at all. That's how Shell and other oil companies have turned countries like Nigeria into stinking cess pits.

In fact it's pretty hard to be a succcesful entrepeneur if you don't have good highways and ports to move your product and receive supplies, and internet service, and police protection to keep thieves from stealing your stuff, and a good justice system to protect your intellectual property and resolve disputes, and all of the other things that government makes possible.

Successful companies existed before most of what you mentioned existed. In fact, in most cases, it was business that built/established the ports/highways/police protection/IP protection before government took them over under regulatory guise. Government has spent the money both business and the average wage earner gives them to encourage business growth by expanding infrastructure.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Pop Quiz.
These highways, ports, police protection and justice system get paid for how? Either property taxes or income taxes.
Who pays property taxes and income taxes? Workers
Who pays workers? Businesses
How much income do governments and municipalities get other than from people employed by businesses? None.
So businesses pay for infrastructure. Ain't that a bitch.

Thanks for the lesson in obviousology. I'm sure someone (Travis) learned something from it. :lol:

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Successful companies existed before most of what you mentioned existed. In fact, in most cases, it was business that built/established the ports/highways/police protection/IP protection before government took them over under regulatory guise. Government has spent the money both business and the average wage earner gives them to encourage business growth by expanding infrastructure.

True, and if government hadn't broken up those robber baron monoplies we'd be having a whole different conversation (probably over a rotary phone).

 

[Travis007]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Thanks for the lesson in obviousology. I'm sure someone (Travis) learned something from it. :lol:

I learned you work at a lemonade stand.. because you sure cant have a real job other then shilling for Obama...so yes I did learn

 

[Dickieboy]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I would be interested in someone explaining how the comments the President made will compel small business to employ more folks. It seems to me ‘poking them in the eye’ will be counterproductive to reducing the UE rate but maybe I’m missing something...or maybe he doesn't want the UE rate to go down.

 

[washunut]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I learned you work at a lemonade stand.. because you sure cant have a real job other then shilling for Obama...so yes I did learn

Travis it would seem that you may want to reconsider going back and forth with Mr. T. It would be a lot more efficient if you could send your posts directly to Obama offices in Chicago to get their response. Cut out the middleman, although doing it the way you are does save a job I guess.

 

[AdamT]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Travis it would seem that you may want to reconsider going back and forth with Mr. T. It would be a lot more efficient if you could send your posts directly to Obama offices in Chicago to get their response. Cut out the middleman, although doing it the way you are does save a job I guess.

You and Travis are two peas in a pod, aren't you?

 

[Meathead]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Oh no, they really have very little regulation at all. That's how Shell and other oil companies have turned countries like Nigeria into stinking cess pits.

In fact it's pretty hard to be a succcesful entrepeneur if you don't have good highways and ports to move your product and receive supplies, and internet service, and police protection to keep thieves from stealing your stuff, and a good justice system to protect your intellectual property and resolve disputes, and all of the other things that government makes possible.

There are some things you have to understand, as what essence is, and not expect others to carefully explain things. A modicum of knowledge needs to be expected, even here.

 

[Phoenix]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Thanks for the lesson in obviousology. I'm sure someone (Travis) learned something from it. :lol:

Now, If we can just get Obama to realize the same obviousness, our country might just make it.

 

[Travis007]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Travis it would seem that you may want to reconsider going back and forth with Mr. T. It would be a lot more efficient if you could send your posts directly to Obama offices in Chicago to get their response. Cut out the middleman, although doing it the way you are does save a job I guess.

I understand and you are correct..

Adam Loves Obama almost as much as Obama loves Obama.. and Id dare say Adam Loves Obama as much as another great lib fraud John Edwards likes to brush his hair..

 

[Born Free]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

That was just one example, of course. He's simply saying that we all rely on the work that others have done before.

Obama quote "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." Somebody else made that happen, what a stupid statement. Somebody else made that happen, what a ****ing jerk. Obama hates American businesses. This guy never owned a lemon aid stand and he wants to tell a small business they did not make that happen. Now does anyone wonder why he increased our national debt by 6 trillion, or our unemployment is over 8%, our economy is only growing at the present rate of 1.9%, this guy is a joke.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

That kinda argument suggests that one owes those who didn't stop them, and the community who bought their products/services to mutual benefit.

IMO if you buy something from me that im selling at a price we both agree on, after the transaction neither of us owes the other ANYTHING.

 

[Born Free]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Oh no, they really have very little regulation at all. That's how Shell and other oil companies have turned countries like Nigeria into stinking cess pits.

In fact it's pretty hard to be a succcesful entrepeneur if you don't have good highways and ports to move your product and receive supplies, and internet service, and police protection to keep thieves from stealing your stuff, and a good justice system to protect your intellectual property and resolve disputes, and all of the other things that government makes possible.

First what did the entrepreneurs do before there was roads. They rode a horse. So you think the government knew there was going to be cars one day so it built the highways so when someone invented a car there would be a road. What a crock.

 

[Mithros]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Here's a trueism. Anyone who resorts to personal attacks in a debate most likely has nothing important to say.

Mayhaps Obama didn't say it completely correctly. How about: "We're dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants." Regardless of who does it, taking a bit of speech completely out of context and then arguing against your ridiculous construct.. is ... well.. ridiculous.

That said, since when did this become a left right thing? How many buisnesses build their own highway system? Or internet? Don't rely on any RF comms. Don't use any devices created by government sponsored research (transistors, computers, etc..) How many "job creators" educate their employees from elemetry school through high school?

I'm sorry, but NO ONE makes it on their own. NO ONE. We all need help to get where we are.

But feel free to prove me wrong. All you need to do is find someone who was abandoned in the woods as a baby, but not raised by wolves (that would be cheating) and went on to start a succesful buisness (also in the woods) hiring only woods babies.

Romney better not have too many weeks like this, otherwise we'll have to sit through made up "controversies" like this.

 

[winston53660]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

First what did the entrepreneurs do before there was roads. They rode a horse. So you think the government knew there was going to be cars one day so it built the highways so when someone invented a car there would be a road. What a crock.

Why do you think the Romans built roads?

 

[Travis007]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Why do you think the Romans built roads?

dumbest post ever?

 

[VanceMack]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

I learned you work at a lemonade stand.. because you sure cant have a real job other then shilling for Obama...so yes I did learn

Id guess thats actually a pretty fair guess. Id say his 'business' IS the equivalent of a lemonade stand. Based on his demonstrated knowledge of business operations, he was probably staked to the business (assuming its real) by mom and dad. Which would explain why he actually believes other people are responsible for his business...because in his case...they were.

 

[winston53660]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

dumbest post ever?

So you don't know why Romans built roads, okay.

 

[Travis007]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Id guess thats actually a pretty fair guess. Id say his 'business' IS the equivalent of a lemonade stand. Based on his demonstrated knowledge of business operations, he was probably staked to the business (assuming its real) by mom and dad. Which would explain why he actually believes other people are responsible for his business...because in his case...they were.

+5!..........