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If you hear 'Palestinians killed' and dismiss it as 'who cares', it's a problem

So, Israel isn't killing civilians?
For the most part.

The nature of war being what it is, I'm sure that collateral damage happens. But most of the supposed dead civilians either never existed in the first place, or were terrorists who were killed as they tried to murder children.


Or they are killing civilians, and it's justified?
Israel does not deliberately kill civilians.


Better get your story straight. 🤣
No need. My story has always been straight.
 
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Fake news. Misleading maps.
The maps make it look like Israel is continuing to take land when in reality they give land up in exchange for peace.
There should be a map in between slides 3 and 4 that shows everything that Israel gained in 1967. What that last map shows is what the Palestinians gained when it had appeared that they were interested in peace.
The Palestinians would have gained even more than that had they actually been interested in peace.
Israel's Supreme Court on Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a 2017 law that would have allowed for the retroactive legalization of thousands of Jewish homes built on occupied West Bank land privately owned by Palestinians, a law so provocative that few believed when it was passed that it would survive judicial review.

In the past few months Haaretz has published a number of disturbing stories about the way the World Zionist Organization Settlement Division has been stealing both Palestinian and state land. When necessary the agency, which is funded by the state, does not even hesitate to deceive settlers in the pursuit of its sacred goal: putting up more buildings in the settlements.

The High Court of Justice ruled that the yeshiva sits on private Palestinian property, but farmers from the neighboring village of Burqa have been barred from accessing their lands there.
Reason, Haaretz and the Times of Israel are all lying?
I don't know. One possibility is that they are lying. One possibility is that they are obliviously repeating lies. One possibility is that they are telling the truth.

One thing that I do know, however, is that nothing in those articles, even if true, changes the fact that the above sequence of maps is highly misleading. Israel has always been willing to give up land in exchange for peace. The only reason why the Palestinians don't have an independent state right now is because the Palestinians refuse to make peace.
 
And yet another round of you crying “no no no”. Sorry bud, that’s not an argument.
It is proper that your untrue claims are rejected.


Except I provided, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that they are illegal.
Not really. You merely made some questionable claims to that effect.

There is no legal requirement that Israel give up any land to people who refuse to make peace with them.


Nine hundred dead Palestinian civilians to three dead Israeli civilians shows otherwise.
That is incorrect. The only thing it shows is that Israel's defenses were not vigorous enough. It should have been zero dead Israelis.

The number of dead on the Palestinian side doesn't have much relevance, but it should be noted that the number is grossly inflated.


Lol no it isn’t. Especially considering the consequences of such a decision. Israel would only load nukes on the verge of absolute defeat.
It is hard to tell what you are saying "isn't" given your failure to quote what specific thing you are responding to.

However your claim is untrue and is contradicted by recorded history. Israel was never anywhere near defeat.


Israel received one hell of a bloody nose and was pushed to the brink of complete defeat.
No they weren't.


Which is why they were preparing the nukes.
No it isn't. History is very clear on the fact that you are wrong.
 
Gosh. It sucks that Israelis are being killed. I hope Israel manages to reduce the count down to no Israelis killed.


The picture was posted in reaction to the statement that the war ends when Palestinians stop killing Israelis.
What does "the chart that you posted" have to do with fact that "the war stops when the Palestinians stop murdering people"??


The chart was published from statistics collected by the UN Office for the Coordinator of Humanitarian Affairs. If you consider that spam propaganda then there are no sources except the word of Israel that you will accept as truthful or reliable. Just curious what do you do about reports from Haaretz?
Given all the lies out there, it is reasonable to discount non-Israelis sources.

The Palestinian death toll in that chart is grossly inflated.
 
What never happened? The massacre at Qibya?
The massacre sat Sabra and Shatila ?
The Kahan Commission verdict on Sharon's responsibility ?
Yedioth Ahronoth's report using documents to further charge Sharon and others with being responsible for the deaths at the camps ?
What never happened is: Israel knowingly helping to massacre civilians.


You posts are arrogant and ignorant.
That is incorrect. I am fully informed. Thus my truthful claims.


They display no links.
You are free to ask for a cite. I will do my best to back up anything that you find questionable.


They deny reality.
That is incorrect. I deny falsehoods and Palestinian lies.


You have shown you know nothing
That is incorrect. I have shown that I am knowledgeable and informed.


and think that if you post with a dismissive confidence that people won't see through the fact that you are bluffing your way through this.
That is incorrect. I never bluff.


So, the above? What was fake and what never happened?
What never happened is: Israel knowingly helping to massacre civilians.


And you will need to provide much more than your own opinion. I want to see links to supporting evidence.
The evidence that Israel never knowingly helped to massacre civilians is: the absence of any evidence that they have done so.
 
The chart shows that the Israelis have killed hundreds of times more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis.
The chart is inaccurate. The Palestinian toll is grossly inflated.

It's a shame that Israelis are still being murdered though.


Israel has the upper hand.
Good. Israel are the good guys.


And they have not stopped the killing because the war is not against Palestinians but for the taking of their land and water.
That is incorrect. The war is defense from the Palestinians' illegal aggression against Israel.

The reason why the war does not stop is because the Palestinians refuse to make peace.


Israel now owns all of the water formerly owned by Palestinians and are now in the process of destroying Palestinian rainwater collection cisterns, most of which predate 1948 some of which go back centuries. These cisterns speak of a time when Israel was Palestine and Palestinians lived on the land owned homes in villages and had water.
Too bad that the Palestinians refuse to make peace. I am not sure of the location of the cisterns, but they are probably on land that would have been handed over to the Palestinians in a peace treaty.
 
You don't find it strange that Zone C covers most of the land that was supposed to be Palestinian land?
I do not find it strange.

The Palestinians refused to make peace. Therefore that land was not handed over to them.

If the Palestinians want that land, they will have to make peace in order to get it. Otherwise Israel will keep it for themselves.
 
I agree as long as Israeli citizens are subjects of unprovoked attack they should find the perpetrators and defend themselves with equal force.
Equal force is not relevant. What matters is the level of force that is required to reduce Israeli casualties to zero.


Israelis declare all the attacks unprovoked and respond by massive military assaults on Gaza with many, including children left dead.
Except many of the supposed dead children either never existed, or they were actually terrorists and not children.


The response is over the top. This is not self defense it is aggressive military punishment.
That is incorrect. It is perfectly appropriate self defense.


You may think this unequal response is justified, many the world disagree with you.
Those people are wrong.


IThis is not anti-semitism. It is anti-Zionism.
Anti-Zionism is neonazism.


And just one-in-three say they think the Israeli government is making a sincere effort toward achieving peace with the Palestinians.
No one at all thinks that the Palestinians are making a sincere effort at peace. And that is because the Palestinians are not.

If the Palestinians ever make a sincere effort towards making peace, it is possible that, if the Israeli government does not make peace, then the Israeli voters will replace them with a government that will do so.

At one time that would have been definite, not merely possible. However, after all the decades of unrelenting aggression from the Palestinians, the Israeli voters may no longer be so willing to give the Palestinians a chance.
 
The international community and the historical record both show otherwise.
The international community is infested with neonazis, so their view doesn't count. Additionally, appeals to the crowd are logical fallacies.

The "historical record" in question is a Palestinian fake.


Operation Cast Lead:
900 dead Palestinian civilians.
Fake news. Never happened.


3 dead Israeli civilians.
That's three too many.


The actual civilian death toll shows otherwise…..very clearly.
Except, it's fake. It's all just another Palestinian lie.


Throughly irrelevant to the fact the Palestinians have every right to their own sovereign nation.
The Palestinians have that right only if they make peace.

Since the Palestinians refuse to make peace, they have no right to anything at all.


Civilians slaughtered by the IDF.
Fake news. Never happened.
 
The international community is infested with neonazis, so their view doesn't count. Additionally, appeals to the crowd are logical fallacies.

The "historical record" in question is a Palestinian fake.



Fake news. Never happened.



That's three too many.



Except, it's fake. It's all just another Palestinian lie.



The Palestinians have that right only if they make peace.

Since the Palestinians refuse to make peace, they have no right to anything at all.



Fake news. Never happened.

Another round of you frantically trying to deny reality because it’s inconvenient for your precious narrative.

Unfortunately for you, that can’t change the facts.

The guy who thinks the 9/11 attacks were “karma” had zero room to cry about the Palestinians.
 
It is proper that your untrue claims are rejected.



Not really. You merely made some questionable claims to that effect.

There is no legal requirement that Israel give up any land to people who refuse to make peace with them.



That is incorrect. The only thing it shows is that Israel's defenses were not vigorous enough. It should have been zero dead Israelis.

The number of dead on the Palestinian side doesn't have much relevance, but it should be noted that the number is grossly inflated.



It is hard to tell what you are saying "isn't" given your failure to quote what specific thing you are responding to.

However your claim is untrue and is contradicted by recorded history. Israel was never anywhere near defeat.



No they weren't.



No it isn't. History is very clear on the fact that you are wrong.

Your desperate attempts at denial have already been debunked repeatedly.
 
Equal force is not relevant. What matters is the level of force that is required to reduce Israeli casualties to zero. Except many of the supposed dead children either never existed, or they were actually terrorists and not children. That is incorrect. It is perfectly appropriate self defense. Those people are wrong. Anti-Zionism is neonazism. No one at all thinks that the Palestinians are making a sincere effort at peace. And that is because the Palestinians are not.
If the Palestinians ever make a sincere effort towards making peace, it is possible that, if the Israeli government does not make peace, then the Israeli voters will replace them with a government that will do so.
At one time that would have been definite, not merely possible. However, after all the decades of unrelenting aggression from the Palestinians, the Israeli voters may no longer be so willing to give the Palestinians a chance.
Never let it be said that conservative males from Michigan didn't have opinions.
 
Another round of you frantically trying to deny reality because it’s inconvenient for your precious narrative.
That is incorrect. I merely deny your untrue claims.


Unfortunately for you, that can’t change the facts.
Hardly unfortunate. I like the facts. That's why I always defend them.


The guy who thinks the 9/11 attacks were “karma” had zero room to cry about the Palestinians.
What is there to cry about? Israel does a pretty good job of protecting themselves.

It's the people who wish that they could murder innocent Israelis who are crying.


Your desperate attempts at denial have already been debunked repeatedly.
That is incorrect. No such desperation. And no such debunking.
 
That is incorrect. I merely deny your untrue claims.



Hardly unfortunate. I like the facts. That's why I always defend them.



What is there to cry about? Israel does a pretty good job of protecting themselves.

It's the people who wish that they could murder innocent Israelis who are crying.



That is incorrect. No such desperation. And no such debunking.
Your tears when forced to face reality show otherwise.

Every attempt to excuse and defend the slaughter of Palestinian civilians only further proves me right.
 
Your tears when forced to face reality show otherwise.
No one forces me to face reality. I'm quite fond of it. I certainly don't shed any tears over it.


Every attempt to excuse and defend the slaughter of Palestinian civilians only further proves me right.
No such slaughter has happened.
 
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