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"If you have children, don't have a gun in the home"

DebateChallenge said:
For some conditions you do need to access medicine in seconds and it can mean the difference between life and death.
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Yet we still use child caps.

Because realistically, there’s not a lot of medications one needs to self administer in seconds. I can think of a couple, only one of which is a tablet.
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL. I make one observation and you get hysterical.

I don’t think you can enforce use of trigger locks, just like you can’t enforce personal use of child caps.

But having to get one with the purchase of a gun seems pretty benign. It certainly may save some lives.
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If that's hysteria to you, then we view the world much differently. Did you know that every new gun comes with a trigger lock, and that the Childsafe Project gives them away?

Why would anyone suggest a law that they know can't be enforced?
 
Threegoofs said:
Sure. Just like medicines.

But we mandate child caps, because we know many people are careless.
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We also know that it is highly unlikely that parents would be charged with criminal gross negligence for not securing dangerous things in their home.
 
Threegoofs said:
Sure. Just like medicines.

But we mandate child caps, because we know many people are careless.
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All of my prescriptions have non-child safe camps. Those aren't mandated.
 
Goshin said:
I don't agree, and my house = my rules.


IMO the proper way to express this is "if you have both kids and guns, it is imperative that you exercise due care to ensure safety is maintained." IMO this includes teaching the children about guns so they don't misunderstand the risks and do something unwise if they should ever have access.

My extended family has raised several generations of kids in home with guns, with no injuries or fatalities involved.

I have kids and guns in my home now; if not for the guns the kids would not be safe. This is due to the fact that the only thing keeping their father away is his knowledge that I will shoot him if he comes here and starts trouble... the father is a drug addict, convicted felon, known arsonist, known felon-in-possession-of-firearms, and general lunatic. The woman and her children have attempted to get away from him before; this is the first and only place were he didn't come and threaten and harass them into returning. He has no fear of jail or ass-whuppin'.... only of death.

I'll keep both my guns and the kids, thanks.
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Yep. Same thing for my family and many of my friends. The REASON theres guns present is because there are kids and general safety.
 
calamity said:
I heard that quote today from David Frum while listening to an old podcast. He was asked what his "friends" on the Right would say about it. His response was that he didn't care. "Facts do not need friends."

He's right.
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The leading cause of child deaths is automobile accidents. Should we then say: "if you have children, do not have automobiles? More children die from drowning then from firearms. Should we say: If you have children, avoid owning swimming pools? Keep them away from bathtubs, etc?
If you are a gun owner with children, just use common sense and do not leave it lying around where they can get to it.
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL. I make one observation and you get hysterical.

I don’t think you can enforce use of trigger locks, just like you can’t enforce personal use of child caps.

But having to get one with the purchase of a gun seems pretty benign. It certainly may save some lives.
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Are you kidding me? You want a law that has a cost to the public yet no enforcement of using that mandated purchase. You may as well just call it a (sin?) tax penalty for a gun purchase - mandating giving money to the makers of trigger locks.
 
Rucker61 said:
If that's hysteria to you, then we view the world much differently. Did you know that every new gun comes with a trigger lock, and that the Childsafe Project gives them away?

Why would anyone suggest a law that they know can't be enforced?
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Didn’t know.

That’s great.

All in favor of safer guns.
 
Rucker61 said:
If that's hysteria to you, then we view the world much differently. Did you know that every new gun comes with a trigger lock, and that the Childsafe Project gives them away?

Why would anyone suggest a law that they know can't be enforced?
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Either trigger locks or chamber locks. Chamber locks work just as well as trigger locks.
 
Rucker61 said:
All of my prescriptions have non-child safe camps. Those aren't mandated.
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No, they are mandated. You can ask for them to be removed if you have a disability or have difficulty opening them (pharmacists interpret this pretty liberally, because we know patient stupidity and incompetence is not always immediately obvious).
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I don't keep my guns, pills or sharp tools in a safe. I don't think that a safe is needed to "child proof" a home - my father and mother had guns in the house and raised three boys with no gunshot incidents at all (amazing as that may have been). They simply placed a lock on their bedroom closet door and the tool shed door.
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Same here. My dad always had at least a handgun. He never had a gun safe. He simply kept it where we could not get at it.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Most people who mock America with the term "Merica" tend to have a low level of respect for the USA. Is that true in your case? It would be strange for an alleged former cop.
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I doubt you are an american
 
calamity said:
He's using hard stats to back him up. Anyone not buried in gun zealotry knows that having a gun in the home puts children at an incredibly high risk of being killed by a gun.
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Only if a parent is stupid enough to leave the gun lying around where children can get to it. It's just a matter of common sense.
 
calamity said:
Uh, no. They are just people who are sick of the carnage and blame the NRA and their political whores for enabling it.
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If the people you speak of were truly sick of the carnage, they would support constructive means to lessen or end the carnage rather the political means. For instance in regards to the school shootings. Constructive means would be making the schools safer, both in how entry into the school buildings is allowed and how the children are protected. Constructive means would also be seeking to make sure that the mentally ill are reported to the national database used for background checks as the one thing common in virtually all of the school shooters is mental illness. The exploitation of school shootings to demand gun control laws is simply politically and emotionally driven diarrhea.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I disagree. Gun safes are a good idea in some households, however making them mandatory is ludicrous.
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In your opinion. Our children are dying from a lack of common sense
 
ObamacareFail said:
I disagree. Gun safes are a good idea in some households, however making them mandatory is ludicrous.
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we have several safes in our home, garage and archery range. when my son or his friends were underage we locked up every gun in the home but when our son hit 18 we do have a couple not locked up. big difference.
 
TurtleDude said:
BS-people like you are upset that the NRA helped Trump win. And you are lying if you think the NRA is responsible. BTW if you cared up the lives of kids, there are are many more things killing more kids than guns
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The delicious aspect of the left again exploiting tragedy for the sake of going after the NRA is what it will likely do to them this coming November. Attacking the NRA always ends badly for democrats.
 
calamity said:
What lie? The NRA and their political whores are enablers of the American gun carnage.
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No.....actually the left can be more blamed for the carnage. Rather then seeking to make schools safe, you are just attempting to exploit tragedy for political gain.
 
ObamacareFail said:
No.....actually the left can be more blamed for the carnage. Rather then seeking to make schools safe, you are just attempting to exploit tragedy for political gain.
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You misspelled right
 
ObamacareFail said:
If the people you speak of were truly sick of the carnage, they would support constructive means to lessen or end the carnage rather the political means. For instance in regards to the school shootings. Constructive means would be making the schools safer, both in how entry into the school buildings is allowed and how the children are protected. Constructive means would also be seeking to make sure that the mentally ill are reported to the national database used for background checks as the one thing common in virtually all of the school shooters is mental illness. The exploitation of school shootings to demand gun control laws is simply politically and emotionally driven diarrhea.
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Except gun control actually works. Where do your ideas work?
 
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