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If you could vote in the French Presidential Elections of 2022 - where would your vote go to?

My vote might go to ......

  • Nathalie Arthaud - Lutte Ouvrière

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Marine Le Pen - Rassemblement national

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • Anne Hidalgo - Parti Socialiste

    Votes: 4 12.5%

  • François Asselineau - Union populaire républicaine

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Fabien Roussel Parti - communiste français

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Emmanuel Jean-Michel Frédéric Macron - En Marche

    Votes: 15 46.9%

  • others

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • Total voters
    32
Again:

10th of April 2022 - first round
24th of April 2022 - second round

So it is not too early to talk about these election.

About the US elections there is talk here 4 years in advance. :)
 
Beware the Ides of April - and the 10th of April - when the first half of the French Presidential Elections take place - soon now!
 
For those who follow this election and French politics more closely than I do, does France have its QAnon-equivalent fringe element that's been publically claiming that the election is rigged unless candidate <x> wins? If so, how loud is their voice and which candidate(s) do they back?
 
phoenix2020 said:
For those who follow this election and French politics more closely than I do, does France have its QAnon-equivalent fringe element that's been publically claiming that the election is rigged unless candidate <x> wins? If so, how loud is their voice and which candidate(s) do they back?
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Do the French have fringe elements, yes. Would they claim the election is rigged, eh maybe, European fringe elements tend to claim the whole system is rigged and all elections are shams. Who would they vote for? If they bother to vote probably Zemmour. Or maybe on one of the far left candidates, not all fringe elements are right wing.
 
phoenix2020 said:
For those who follow this election and French politics more closely than I do, does France have its QAnon-equivalent fringe element that's been publically claiming that the election is rigged unless candidate <x> wins? If so, how loud is their voice and which candidate(s) do they back?
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Well Marine Le Pen is the extreme right candidate. They’ve got their own identity evropa types.
 
bomberfox said:
Well Marine Le Pen is the extreme right candidate. They’ve got their own identity evropa types.
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Darn I voted for her in the poll because she had the coolest name. Whoops.
 
Is it just me, or is everyone on that list disappointing?

I think a lot of French voters are going to be holding their noses while they cast their ballots. Le scrutin du fromage Époisses.
 
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I think La République En Marche (LREM) - Macron's party - is the worst thing that ever happened to the Fifth Republic. It's like a party that's it's own Grand Coalition. It just sits there in the middle of the political spectrum, sucking all of the air out of the room, but not really doing or standing for anything. It's not healthy except in a time of national crisis.
 
Not sure it makes much difference. The French tend to lean liberal regardless. A lot of talk and little action.
 
Cordelier said:
I think La République En Marche (LREM) - Macron's party - is the worst thing that ever happened to the Fifth Republic. It's like a party that's it's own Grand Coalition. It just sits there in the middle of the political spectrum, sucking all of the air out of the room, but not really doing or standing for anything. It's not healthy except in a time of national crisis.
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Do nothing, because everything is fine is the core of centrism. And why it's bad.
 
Cordelier said:
I think La République En Marche (LREM) - Macron's party - is the worst thing that ever happened to the Fifth Republic.
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That begs the question: who would you put at the top in the history of the Fifth Republic?

I can make my selections based only from the outside. Meaning their foreign policies. I have no clue on French internal matters or what makes the French man tick.

I know zit on de Gaulle, aside from what appears in WWII books. American WWII historians, journalists were not kind to him at all.

After de Gaulle was someone so bland I can't recall his name.

Then it was Discard d'Estaing I believe. I don't know how he came across to Americans. I was kind of junior at the time.

Mitterand was nice. Regal and dignified.

I don't think Chirac was much liked. There was a touch of the arrogant about him. And he opposed the assault on Saddam which I supported. I was quite a neo con at the time. The cause was good, I believed at the time. Down with the tyrant. Paix aux peoples, guerre aux tyrans, to borrow from the French. Let liberty reign in Baghdad. I was that naive. Oh and how can one forgive Chirac for unleashing that Dominique Galouzeau de Villepin to take his high rhetorical scourge to Americans for waging war without permission. All I saw was Villepin as a chic intellectual standing between Iraqis and Jeffersonian democracy. So Chirac gets the thumbs down.

I think I will settle for Nicolas Sarkozy. By the time he became I had shifted into the conservative camp and Sarközy's tough law and order gait sat well with my disposition
 
Juin said:
That begs the question: who would you put at the top in the history of the Fifth Republic?

I can make my selections based only from the outside. Meaning their foreign policies. I have no clue on French internal matters or what makes the French man tick.

I know zit on de Gaulle, aside from what appears in WWII books. American WWII historians, journalists were not kind to him at all.

After de Gaulle was someone so bland I can't recall his name.

Then it was Discard d'Estaing I believe. I don't know how he came across to Americans. I was kind of junior at the time.

Mitterand was nice. Regal and dignified.

I don't think Chirac was much liked. There was a touch of the arrogant about him. And opposed the assault on Saddam which I supported. I was quite a neo con at the time. The cause was good, I believed at the time. Down with the tyrant. Paix aux peoples, guerre aux tyrans. Let liberty reign in Baghdad. I was that naive. Oh and how can one forgive Chirac for unleashing that Dominique Galouzeau de Villepin to take his high rhetorical scourge to Americans for waging war without permission. All I saw was Villepin as a chic intellectual standing between Iraqis and Jeffersonian democracy. So Chirac gets the thumbs down.

I think I will settle for Nicolas Sarkozy. By the time he became I had shifted into the conservative camp and Sarközy's tough law and order gait sat well with my disposition
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Sarkozy was probably the most corrupt president of the fifth republic, so there is that. There was a reason he was voted out. And the one yopu can't remember is Georges Pompidou.
Between Sarkozy and Macron there was Hollande.
 
joluoto said:
Sarkozy was probably the most corrupt president of the fifth republic, so there is that. There was a reason he was voted out. And the one yopu can't remember is Georges Pompidou.
Between Sarkozy and Macron there was Hollande.
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Thanks. That was George Pompidou. Honestly, I have never come across any hostile article about him. It's almost like he had no enemies.

Yes. Hollande. And his wife who put up a strong showing in one election. They were both socialists. I had bolted the liberal camp around shortly after Bill Clinton took office. So by Hollande I was firmly in the conservative camp.

I have traveled the whole political spectrum. It's a long story. It started from the Bolshevik left and at moment a Trumpist Republican! lf I move further to the right I will fall off the cliff.

But I digress.

Hollande will not make it to the top of my list of the Fifth Republic.


Was Sarkozy that corrupt? I vaguely recall that Giscard d'Estaing was caught up in an affair of diamonds
 
Juin said:
That begs the question: who would you put at the top in the history of the Fifth Republic?

I can make my selections based only from the outside. Meaning their foreign policies. I have no clue on French internal matters or what makes the French man tick.

I know zit on de Gaulle, aside from what appears in WWII books. American WWII historians, journalists were not kind to him at all.

After de Gaulle was someone so bland I can't recall his name.

Then it was Discard d'Estaing I believe. I don't know how he came across to Americans. I was kind of junior at the time.

Mitterand was nice. Regal and dignified.

I don't think Chirac was much liked. There was a touch of the arrogant about him. And he opposed the assault on Saddam which I supported. I was quite a neo con at the time. The cause was good, I believed at the time. Down with the tyrant. Paix aux peoples, guerre aux tyrans, to borrow from the French. Let liberty reign in Baghdad. I was that naive. Oh and how can one forgive Chirac for unleashing that Dominique Galouzeau de Villepin to take his high rhetorical scourge to Americans for waging war without permission. All I saw was Villepin as a chic intellectual standing between Iraqis and Jeffersonian democracy. So Chirac gets the thumbs down.

I think I will settle for Nicolas Sarkozy. By the time he became I had shifted into the conservative camp and Sarközy's tough law and order gait sat well with my disposition
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I view De Gaulle as being to the 5th Republic what Washington is to our's... the Presidency was essentially made in his image. So I guess that's a hard act to follow. When did we next have a President that matched Washington? Probably Lincoln 64 years later? It has only been 53 years since De Gaulle stepped down... so maybe their greatness is waiting in the wings?

I'm actually more a student of the 4th Republic (1946-58), when the Legislature was dominant... I find all of the interplay among the different factions and parties amid the immediate backdrop of the decolonization Wars in Indochina and Algeria and the slightly further backdrop of the Cold War fascinating. The politics were always dynamic and they were always debating the major issues from various viewpoints.... so it was healthy that way, but unhealthy in that the Governments themselves were unstable and rose and fell as the coalitions formed and fell apart. I still haven't come to a conclusion which is better... to have a strong President who calms the waters, but at the expense of vibrancy.... or to have power in the hands of rotating Prime Ministers? Could the 4th Republic have worked and provided more stability in a post-colonial era where there was no Indochina and Algerian wars? And if France had a 4th Republic PM who could handle the political waves and shifting alliances better, could he have ridden the waves like a champion surfer? Or is that an impossible ideal, and even the best surfers inevitably end up swimming to shore?
 
Juin said:
Was Sarkozy that corrupt? I vaguely recall that Giscard d'Estaing was caught up in an affair of diamonds
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He was not only deeply embedded in the Bettencourt affair, and then he tried to bribe a judge. And then it turned out he had used campaign money for his 2012 campaign for, well other things not allowed by the law for campaign finances, and had hired a PR firm to cover it up. Calling him the most corrupt President of the 5th Republic is apt.

Also in 2007 he got campaign financing from no other than Gaddaffi, so yeah, not great.
 
Rumpel said:
If you could vote in the French Presidential Elections of 2022 - where would your vote go to?

The list of the candidates is still open. So this is just a provisional first poll in that matter.
I have chosen 6 candidates - 3 ladies and 3 gentlemen.
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I like Eric Zemmour, but Marine La Pen is more likely at this stage. Polls show shes much closer to Macron for second round voting than last time. One of them within a couple of points.

It would be great if La Pen wins in France, because the alphabet lavender mafia in the EU is planning revenge against Hungarians for exercising democracy, but if France falls to a nationalist government then her influence can force the EU and flip it into a right wing wing institution.
 
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