If you are tired of the myths and superstitions of religion......

[Questerr]

Stalin was the most prominent atheist of his era. So we can agree the evil actions of atheist murderers invalidate atheist teaching? If not, why the double standard?

Provide proof that “Stalin was the most prominent atheist of his era”.

And no, we don’t agree. Atheism is not an organized religion. Catholicism is. The leader of Catholicism (and the over all leadership of the church) once tortured and executed people for thoughtcrimes.

 

[Mashmont]

Provide proof that “Stalin was the most prominent atheist of his era”.

And no, we don’t agree. Atheism is not an organized religion. Catholicism is. The leader of Catholicism (and the over all leadership of the church) once tortured and executed people for thoughtcrimes.

Stalin was certainly a famous atheist. So will you agree the murderous actions of his regime and that of other atheists who killed tens of millions of people invalidate the teaching of atheism?
Let's see if you're consistent.
I say you'll try to weasel out of it.

 

[Daisy]

I'm not the one of is bearing false witness about losing an argument.

I don't argue...

 

[Lisa]

I don't argue...

What is your definition of posts # 7,11,16 etc?

 

[Questerr]

Stalin was the most prominent and famous atheist of his era. So we can agree the evil actions of atheist murderers invalidate atheist teaching? If not, why the double standard?

Provide evidence for you claim that “Stalin was the most prominent and famous atheist of his era”.

Your word for it IS NOT PROOF.

 

[Questerr]

Stalin was certainly a famous atheist. So will you agree the murderous actions of his regime and that of other atheists who killed tens of millions of people invalidate the teaching of atheism?
Let's see if you're consistent.
I say you'll try to weasel out of it.

So you are now backing down from your claim that “Stalin was the most prominent and famous atheist of his era”?

Atheism teaches nothing about killing anyone. Atheism has a single bullet point: not believing in a god.

 

[bongsaway]

I have no idea but I know what I would tell ya..."get off your butt and look for a job...God helps those who help themselves, ya lazy bum!"

That's one of the nice things about 'the bible' and religion. In one sentence you can say I'm putting it in god's hands and in the next say god helps those who help themselves. If I put it in god's hands why do I have to do anything? I'll tell ya' why, there is no god.

 

[southwest88]

I'll ask again. Even if this tale were true, how would the actions of a few fallible men diminish the perfect teachings of Jesus' church, the RCC?
Shouldn't we also say the vile murderous actions of Josef Stalin invalidate atheism?

On the Pope & the Inquisition: It took scores, if not hundreds of men (always, TMK) to plan out the Inquisition's activities, set out the quotas & amounts of money & property to be seized from the guilty, pay off the informants, torturers, garrotters, buy the faggots, feed the crowds, do the accounting & parcel out the booty in the right amounts to the right parties. See

The Spanish Inquisition : a historical revision / [book] Henry Kamen. c1997, Yale U. Press, 272.2 Kame

Subjects
 Inquisition -- Spain.
 Spain -- Church history.

Length xii, 369 p. : chapter notes, select bibliography, index, photos, map

The nuts & bolts of the Span. Inq. - how it worked, internal politics, Pope, rest of Europe, especially H. R. Empire. Span. Inq. & Span. provinces, fueros, Conversos, Moriscos. Judicial process, corruption, low reach. Old Christians v. New.

& are you actually comparing Christ to Stalin? To what point, I don't think the two are remotely comparable, even if the historical Jesus is lost in the mists of time & theology, & the appalling Stalin is all too present in Soviet history.

 

[southwest88]

I'll ask again. Even if this tale were true, how would the actions of a few fallible men diminish the perfect teachings of Jesus' church, the RCC?
Shouldn't we also say the vile murderous actions of Josef Stalin invalidate atheism?

Did Stalin hold himself forward as a paragon of atheism? I thought his claim to fame was that he was the irreplaceable leader that the USSR needed, once the Nazis invaded Russia (he may have been right, by the way).

I don't know if his opposition to the Russian Orthodox Church was simply to underline his opposition to the old Russian elites, or to position himself as a new man of the Soviet masses. Possibly both, I haven't studied him in any great detail.

Can you find a statement of principles from an atheistic organization that advocates murder? (Other than Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc.?)

Atheism is fairly amorphous (certainly compared to Christianity), there is no atheistic bloc that marches in lock step.

 

[Daisy]

That's one of the nice things about 'the bible' and religion. In one sentence you can say I'm putting it in god's hands and in the next say god helps those who help themselves. If I put it in god's hands why do I have to do anything? I'll tell ya' why, there is no god.

Not true...simply sitting back, do nothing, and waiting for Jehovah to correct the situation or solve the problem for us is not the way to get our prayers answered...we need to act in harmony with our prayers...

"Be industrious, not lazy. Be aglow with the spirit. Slave for Jehovah." Romans 12:11

 

[bongsaway]

Not true...simply sitting back, do nothing, and waiting for Jehovah to correct the situation or solve the problem for us is not the way to get our prayers answered...we need to act in harmony with our prayers...

"Be industrious, not lazy. Be aglow with the spirit. Slave for Jehovah." Romans 12:11

That's another thing I enjoy about religion, you guys can't even agree among yourselves on different things. I'll leave it to you religious scholars to figure out. I'll be working on not worrying about any of that stuff and more about what's for dinner.

 

[Daisy]

That's another thing I enjoy about religion, you guys can't even agree among yourselves on different things. I'll leave it to you religious scholars to figure out. I'll be working on not worrying about any of that stuff and more about what's for dinner.

In other words, you got nothin'...got it...

 

[Mashmont]

So you are now backing down from your claim that “Stalin was the most prominent and famous atheist of his era”?

Atheism teaches nothing about killing anyone. Atheism has a single bullet point: not believing in a god.

Catholicism doesn’t teach killing either, but you attempt to discredit the validity of Catholic teaching by citing examples you believe are of bad people in the church. When I do the same thing with bad atheists discrediting atheism, you run, and you move the goalposts, you change the subject. You are a dishonest chatter.

 

[Mashmont]

Did Stalin hold himself forward as a paragon of atheism? I thought his claim to fame was that he was the irreplaceable leader that the USSR needed, once the Nazis invaded Russia (he may have been right, by the way).

I don't know if his opposition to the Russian Orthodox Church was simply to underline his opposition to the old Russian elites, or to position himself as a new man of the Soviet masses. Possibly both, I haven't studied him in any great detail.

Can you find a statement of principles from an atheistic organization that advocates murder? (Other than Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc.?)

Atheism is fairly amorphous (certainly compared to Christianity), there is no atheistic bloc that marches in lock step.

Jesus’ church doesn’t teach killing either. So you’re saying don’t judge a belief by the bad actions some of some of its members?

 

[Questerr]

Catholicism doesn’t teach killing either, but you attempt to discredit the validity of Catholic teaching by citing examples you believe are of bad people in the church. When I do the same thing with bad atheists discrediting atheism, you run, and you move the goalposts, you change the subject. You are a dishonest chatter.

It certainly did in the past. Catholicism taught that thoughtcriminals who refused to repent their crimes should be tortured and executed. Laws against "heresy" were official church positions. Or are you going to argue that the entire Church structure from the Pope at the top all the way down the local priests didn't represent the Church itself?

As I said before, Atheism has a single bullet point: not believing in a god. It says literally nothing about anything else.

 

[Questerr]

Jesus’ church doesn’t teach killing either. So you’re saying don’t judge a belief by the bad actions some of some of its members?

"Jesus's church" most definitely did teach killing in the past.

 

[calamity]

Jesus’ church doesn’t teach killing either. So you’re saying don’t judge a belief by the bad actions some of some of its members?

False.

The Conquest of the Americas: Killing in the Name of Jesus

A lot of unholy acts were carried out in the holy conquest of the American continents. How does that make sense?

medium.com

I’m sure Jesus, the man who advised turning the other cheek and who let the Roman guards slap him around the place, was only too delighted at the number of Natives tortured, beaten and killed in his name.

 

[Mashmont]

"Jesus's church" most definitely did teach killing in the past.

Find it for me in the catechism or in Jesus word

 

[Questerr]

Find it for me in the catechism or in Jesus word

The first Catholic Catechism wasn't written until the 16th Century. Does it embarrass you that I know more about the history of your Church than you do? It should.

Are you going to say that the Catholic Church wasn't "Jesus's perfect church" when it taught as an official position that thoughtcrimes ("Heresy") were crimes punishable by torture and execution?

 

[Mashmont]

The first Catholic Catechism wasn't written until the 16th Century. Does it embarrass you that I know more about the history of your Church than you do? It should.

Are you going to say that the Catholic Church wasn't "Jesus's perfect church" when it taught as an official position that thoughtcrimes ("Heresy") were crimes punishable by torture and execution?

All you have to do is find me Jesus' teaching or the catechism where wanton killing is taught. Why do you continue to be dishonest and evade the question?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Stalin was certainly a famous atheist. So will you agree the murderous actions of his regime and that of other atheists who killed tens of millions of people invalidate the teaching of atheism?
Let's see if you're consistent.
I say you'll try to weasel out of it.

Making shit up is not very Christian of you, too close to lying.

Stalin was all about authoritarianism not atheism, his intention was control having absolutely nothing to do with any advancement of atheism.

 

[Mashmont]

Making shit up is not very Christian of you, too close to lying.

Stalin was all about authoritarianism not atheism, his intention was control having absolutely nothing to do with any advancement of atheism.

Of course Stalin was about atheism. Otherwise there wouldn't have been government-sponsored programs of conversion to atheism.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Of course Stalin was about atheism. Otherwise the Soviet Constitution wouldn't have deemed atheism the state belief.

Again you are lying, state belief was all about competition. Read a history book already.

 

[Mashmont]

Again you are lying, state belief was all about competition. Read a history book already.

Atheists get very angry when you point out their murderous history. 100 million in the last century. Hideous.

Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent sour

www.csmonitor.com

 

[Questerr]

All you have to do is find me Jesus' teaching or the catechism where wanton killing is taught. Why do you continue to be dishonest and evade the question?

The first official Catholic Church Catechism was written in 1556.

The Albigensian Crusade happened in the early 1200’s. The Inquisition was started at the same time.

So explain how the teachings that led to the persecution of heretics could be in a document that wouldn’t be created for another 300 years?