If you are tired of the myths and superstitions of religion......

[911Sparky]

You haven't asked yet, why God created you. You only came up with one idea, which was obviously not well thought through. You're only asking this question because you have no idea why God created you and what is the purpose of your life.

I thought I made it clear that I don't believe in god, and don't believe he created me, I was born after my parents had sexual relations and there is nothing you can say to change that belief.

 

[911Sparky]

What scientist's would convince me differently? You can't even explain why an all powerful loving god allowed over 2 million people to die of a disease
he could have prevented.

 

[Valery]

I thought I made it clear that I don't believe in god, and don't believe he created me, I was born after my parents had sexual relations and there is nothing you can say to change that belief.

Of course your view is clear, but as I said, you made a false assumption. That false assumption (I.e. that you know why God created you) is the reason you ask.

So in order to answer the question you need to know why you were created. If you say, "there was no reason for God to create man" and then ask, "why does He allow evil?" You are making a presumption that man was supposed to live happily ever after and that his life was supposed to be perfect, or something along the lines of that. But how would you know what man's life is supposed to be like if you don't know its purpose?

 

[Valery]

What scientist's would convince me differently?

I mean, ask a scientist how two liquids equal a baby.

 

[911Sparky]

Of course your view is clear, but as I said, you made a false assumption. That false assumption (I.e. that you know why God created you) is the reason you ask.

So in order to answer the question you need to know why you were created. If you say, "there was no reason for God to create man" and then ask, "why does He allow evil?" You are making a presumption that man was supposed to live happily ever after and that his life was supposed to be perfect, or something along the lines of that. But how would you know what man's life is supposed to be like if you don't know its purpose?

If god takes no interest in the day to day suffering of his people, why would they go to church, give him money, and pray for help which will never come?

 

[Valery]

You can't even explain why an all powerful loving god allowed over 2 million people to die of a disease
he could have prevented.

I'm trying to show you the error in your presumption; that people aren't supposed to die of disease in large numbers or that it would be somehow unfair or bad for them to die.

 

[Valery]

If god takes no interest in the day to day suffering of his people, why would they go to church, give him money, and pray for help which will never come?

It is clear from the revelation that He takes interest.

 

[911Sparky]

It is clear from the revelation that He takes interest.

So he is interested, but will do nothing. He must be interested in the way an entomologist is interested in the bug in his display case.

 

[Valery]

So he is interested, but will do nothing. He must be interested in the way an entomologist is interested in the bug in his display case.

Yet another assumption out of nowhere.

Qur'an 51:56 "And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."

 

[watsup]

Yet another presumption out of nowhere.

And I’m sure that you never make presumptions, right? *L*

 

[Mashmont]

I know. God is always in need of money. Funny how the ruler of the universe is always short on cash.

Carlin. Great atheist success story. Spent most of his adult life drunk or high. Had to enter rehab at age 67, an age most people have stuff figured out.

 

[Mashmont]

Humanism has the answers.

Atheism is atheism. Doesn't matter how you try to dress it up.

 

[911Sparky]

Yet another presumption out of nowhere.

What else can I believe when all I get from you are vague answers, nothing to explain why god won't help the people he created, why he won't perform one of his miracles to eliminate a plague on the world, why he won't answer the prayers of those who are believers, why he needs the money of parishioners, many of whom are poor and can't afford to give, but give anyway because they believe he can help them. Yes Valery, I am an atheist and will remain so until these and many more questions can be answered with something more than "it's gods will".

 

[tosca1]

There are no supernatural beings.
We only live this life - there is no after-life, and no such thing as reincarnation.

Hahahahaha

Watsup is getting all spooked up again! Hahahahaha

Science provides the only reliable source of knowledge about this universe.

Is that so?
Therefore....listen to science.



The National Academy of Sciences also says:

"Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about ourselves and the world around us. Humans gain understanding in many other ways, such as through literature, the arts, philosophical reflection, and religious experience.

Scientific knowledge may enrich aesthetic and moral perceptions, but these subjects extend beyond science's realm, which is to obtain a better understanding of the natural world."

"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.
This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution. Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."

WMAP Site FAQs

Public access site for The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and associated information about cosmology.

map.gsfc.nasa.gov

The possibility of God exists!

BOO!

 

[watsup]

Atheism is atheism. Doesn't matter how you try to dress it up.

Of true, of course. But it’s not my fault if you don’t understand that and post a falsehood instead.

 

[stevecanuck]

Yet another assumption out of nowhere.

Qur'an 51:56 "And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."

Is that a quote from the Qur'an?

 

[tosca1]

Of true, of course. But it’s not my fault if you don’t understand that and post a falsehood instead.

Hahahahaha



The National Academy of Sciences also says:


"Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about ourselves and the world around us.
Humans gain understanding in many other ways, such as through literature, the arts, philosophical reflection, and religious experience.

"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.

This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution. Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."

WMAP Site FAQs

Public access site for The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and associated information about cosmology.

map.gsfc.nasa.gov

Either what you posted below is a falsehood.......

Science provides the only reliable source of knowledge about this universe.

......................or, not!


You can't have it both ways.

 

[Questerr]

Until you can prove God doesn't exist then atheism will always be a myth...I've never once claimed faith/belief is not needed and it's quite obvious you do not have the capability to possess either...

Proving a negative is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof is on person making the positive claim: the theist.

Faith is the excuse people give for believing in something they don’t have sufficient evidence for and it is not a reliable pathway to discerning truth.

 

[Questerr]

While atheists can seem affable on the surface, it's when you dig down a little deeper you see the difference, and it's in relationships. There is a coldness and hard-heartedness I've seen to the irreligious. A holding onto grudges, a hardness of heart, an inability to forgive. There always seems to be some dysfunction. Perhaps the reason could be disregard for sexual morality, which has a direct effect on the ability to relate deeply, to make things work out.

An inherent flaw in atheism is the desire for self-denial in general, and specifically in the sexual arena. For example, I don't know a single atheist who believes sex outside of marriage is immoral. Or that masturbation is immoral. Both might seem harmless on the surface, but their damage is complex and not always immediately apparent. And I believe this is the root of the problems I've listed above. It's very telling that self-denial is nowhere to be seen on your wheel chart, for that is a critical omission.

You constantly make the above claim but you have never once provided objective evidence to back it up.

 

[brianpatrick]

What scientist's would convince me differently? You can't even explain why an all powerful loving god allowed over 2 million people to die of a disease
he could have prevented.

that wasn’t the new god, that was the old angry, vengeful, mean (and strangely human) one. He did it...

 

[Questerr]

Because their thinking is not in line with reality. They believe an IPhone can build itself — that is the only possible conclusion from the way they think the universe and the world created itself.

Show me a single humanist who thinks iPhones can build themselves? Do you think phones are self-replicating like life is?

 

[Questerr]

Death camps, concentration camps, rape rooms, torture centers, purges. Murder of thousands of priests and nuns and tens of millions of Christians. All in the past 90 years. All in the name of atheism and atheist regimes. Your turn

Prove that tens of millions were killed “in the name of atheism”.

 

[Questerr]

Really? When was the last time the pope tortured anybody?

Why would the time matter? You claim the Catholic Church was always perfect in its teaching. So even the Pope ordered people tortured 500 years ago, you think such orders would be perfect.

 

[Questerr]

God is uncreated. That's why He's called The Creator.

That is the very definition of special pleading.

 

[Questerr]

Then go ask them why two liquids equals a baby.

Anyway. When you questioned God's will, you made this absurd assumption: that you know why God created you.

You realize sperm and egg aren’t “liquids” right?

Do not understand how basic biology works?