If you are losing your mind over a potential overturning of Roe V Wade, but believe Congress should act to further infringe on gun rights...

[VanceMack]

Owning a gun, birthing a child...ponders.

Constitutionally protected rights...rights not mentioned in the Constitution.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

then you are nothing more than a hypocrite and have absolutely no leg to stand on. You CANNOT with any shred of integrity get upset that supreme court justices might make rulings that eliminate previous rulings...settled law...while at the same time demanding that the rights of law abiding citizens, specifically enumerated in the Constitution and supported by ruling...should be overturned or eliminated. Similarly...if you support state governments infringing on federally protected rights, but dont think state governments should be able to enact laws on abrotion or gay marriage...again...you are shredding your own integrity and arguments.

Quit yer hoplophile whining. 2A is not unlimited. “It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”.

As for abortion; state governments have, for decades, exercised their authority to restrict abortion within the guidelines established by Roe.

 

[Grand Mal]

Just what the forum needed. Another ancient, conservative guy telling women that losing the right to determine the outcomes of their pregnancies is no big deal.

And if a pregnant single woman must chose between a dodgy back-alley abortion procedure or 12 years of welfare poverty, well, that's just what she deserves.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

then you are nothing more than a hypocrite and have absolutely no leg to stand on. You CANNOT with any shred of integrity get upset that supreme court justices might make rulings that eliminate previous rulings...settled law...while at the same time demanding that the rights of law abiding citizens, specifically enumerated in the Constitution and supported by ruling...should be overturned or eliminated. Similarly...if you support state governments infringing on federally protected rights, but dont think state governments should be able to enact laws on abrotion or gay marriage...again...you are shredding your own integrity and arguments.

Bull ****ing shit like the million other times right wingers trry this bullshit. It's not even comparable

"Well regulated militias" right in the first line of 2nd amendment, it states well regulated. Also, right to bear arms does nto say any and all arms at all costs. So you can shove the same moronic right wing non argument that continually gets regurgitated and lacks any intelligence

This thread is projection. Conservatives are not pro life, because these anti life positions
1. war mongering, murdering innocent people across world
2. taking kids away from parents and locking them in cages. THe disregards for the life of immigrants is apparent
3. anti life saving vaccines that has killed millions worldwide, and can't even be bothered to wear a mask while they spread around a disease killnig people
4. Pro death penalty, pro locking human in cages for absurd sentences with no rehabilitation
5. Anti social spending to help those homeless, starving, etc.
6. Anti universal healthcare. Have that baby but you better be able to pay for it
7.Pro giving everybody a gun with no limits which leads to 10s of thousand sof murders and victims in this country. Yeah, real pro life when you support stand your ground and willy nilly everybody carry a gun like the wild west
8. The list goes on and on about how anti-life republican taliban truly are


Why bother, right wingers have no facts, no response, and the OP is just trolling. BUt I guess its always fun to show how incredibly wrong and stupid right wingers are

 

[Lovebug]

Constitutionally protected rights...rights not mentioned in the Constitution.

Metal is king.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

VanceMack is correct.

The Second Amendment is an enumerated, explicit right. It's right there in plain text, yet some try to say it doesn't mean what it says.

Roe established an "implied" right to an abortion, through an interpretation of the Constitution which was widely considered controversial and questionable.

To treat the latter as inviolate principle while working to destroy the first is illogical and inconsistent... but since when has politics ever been logical, let alone consistent.

Yes, its right there in the text "A well regulated militia.." Why do you people lie? Oh, but that is separate from right to bear arms is the typical BS. So I guess when its convenient its not right in the text?

 

[Goshin]

Yes, its right there in the text "A well regulated militia.." Why do you people lie? Oh, but that is separate from right to bear arms is the typical BS. So I guess when its convenient its not right in the text?

Perhaps our Founders can explain it to you better than I...






"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."


George Mason


Co-author of the Second Amendment


during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788










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"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"


Richard Henry Lee


writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.










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"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."


Zachariah Johnson


Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."










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"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"


Philadelphia Federal Gazette


June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2


Article on the Bill of Rights










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"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"


Samuel Adams


quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"






"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."


George Washington


First President of the United States










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"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."


Thomas Paine










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"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."


Richard Henry Lee


American Statesman, 1788










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"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."


Patrick Henry


American Patriot










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"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"


Patrick Henry


American Patriot










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"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."


Thomas Jefferson


Third President of the United States










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"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … "


Thomas Jefferson


letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.






What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."


Thomas Jefferson


to James Madison

 

[Goshin]

I keep that file handy for when people like you try to lie about the original purpose of the 2a.

 

[Nickyjo]

You are comparing women's bodies to a consumer good.

Right. Apples and oranges.

 

[independentusa]

then you are nothing more than a hypocrite and have absolutely no leg to stand on. You CANNOT with any shred of integrity get upset that supreme court justices might make rulings that eliminate previous rulings...settled law...while at the same time demanding that the rights of law abiding citizens, specifically enumerated in the Constitution and supported by ruling...should be overturned or eliminated. Similarly...if you support state governments infringing on federally protected rights, but dont think state governments should be able to enact laws on abrotion or gay marriage...again...you are shredding your own integrity and arguments.

Exactly what gun rights have been stepped on. I bet you can buy and sell as many guns as you want, except for automatic weapons as they would be an offensive weapon rather than a defensive weapon. The court ruled that the 2nd Amendment is for defense, so no violation there. And what laws have been passed in the past few years that restrict your right to have guns. In fact, almost all of the newer gun laws have expanded your right to not only own guns, but to wear them concealed or openly and have increased the places where you can take weapons. Most of the laws restricting weapons are there to protect the public, like keeping weapons out of the people who have mental problems, are terrorists, or have been convicted felons. Are you saying that those should be able to have weapons? And what does gay marriage have to do with your argument. The argument about guns and abortion come down to killing, while gay marriage does not.

 

[VanceMack]

Exactly what gun rights have been stepped on. I bet you can buy and sell as many guns as you want, except for automatic weapons as they would be an offensive weapon rather than a defensive weapon. The court ruled that the 2nd Amendment is for defense, so no violation there. And what laws have been passed in the past few years that restrict your right to have guns. In fact, almost all of the newer gun laws have expanded your right to not only own guns, but to wear them concealed or openly and have increased the places where you can take weapons. Most of the laws restricting weapons are there to protect the public, like keeping weapons out of the people who have mental problems, are terrorists, or have been convicted felons. Are you saying that those should be able to have weapons? And what does gay marriage have to do with your argument. The argument about guns and abortion come down to killing, while gay marriage does not.

Are you saying people are not advocating for gun bans and other new laws?