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If you are against abortion, why?

Women willingly consent to the actions that resort in a pregnancy too.
???? What? who said anything about actions that resort in a pregnancy? LOL wow just take the L and move on because an asinine statement like this won't make your failed analogy better it only makes it worse.
 
If you had coached football (as I have) you might understand. Because I've routinely sent out players to do things i knew endangered their health for a greater good.

Umm..what?

Firstly, why are you knowingly endangering the health of your players over a game?

Secondly, why do you believe a game is in any way similar to forcing a woman to carry a child for 9 months and dealing with the mental and physical stress that comes with it, some of it permanent?
 
once again nothing you posted mkaes your claim about human being a fact or suggestive been looking in the wrong places . . nothing LMAO
But i get it, you have zero facts that make your claim true. let us know when that changes, thanks
Your inability to recognize facts isn’t my problem.

I posted an article, written by a medical doctor, Professor Emeritus and past Chairman Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Women's Health at the Saint Louis University School of Medicine, explaining the stages of fetal development.

Nowhere in it, does he describe the fetus as a “human being”.
 
the so what is it makes your post make no sense and who is being dishonest? proof? link? qoute?

Wrong, its totally relevant to YOUR statement i just quoted about Anti-abortion claimign science agrees with them.im not anti abortioin

nope you have not

not with any facts that make your claim one also

no, you didnt as proven already

again its YOUR statement its YOUR burden to prove

not a scientific consensus you didnt lol

no its not since its your claim and have yet to post one fact that makes it true

Melting down over this and being so triggered is irrational LMAO it changes nothing it only entertains me

this is your statement


I simply asked based on what science and can you provide a fact that makes that claim also a fact. you can not🤷‍♂️
“Triggered” is you. Long ago, I stopped giving a shit about the opinions of ignorant and dishonest people.

I have provided you with a scientific reference proving that your repeated claim that there is consensus in the scientific community that fetuses are human beings, false. I could have posted more examples, but only one was needed to debunk your horse shit assertion.

Unless you’re ready to post proof of your assertion (an impossibility), stop trying to spin facts and accept that you are wrong.
 
Your inability to recognize facts isn’t my problem.

I posted an article, written by a medical doctor, Professor Emeritus and past Chairman Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Women's Health at the Saint Louis University School of Medicine, explaining the stages of fetal development.

Nowhere in it, does he describe the fetus as a “human being”.

“Triggered” is you. Long ago, I stopped giving a shit about the opinions of ignorant and dishonest people.

I have provided you with a scientific reference proving that your repeated claim that there is consensus in the scientific community that fetuses are human beings, false. I could have posted more examples, but only one was needed to debunk your horse shit assertion.

Unless you’re ready to post proof of your assertion (an impossibility), stop trying to spin facts and accept that you are wrong.

Soooo still no facts that make your claim also a fact? only your feelings and more triggered meltdowns and failed personal attacks? Got it. 😂

Let us know when that changes and you can provide one fact that makes your claim fact, thanks!
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Soooo still no facts that make your claim also a fact? only your feelings and more triggered meltdowns and failed personal attacks? Got it. 😂

Let us know when that changes and you can provide one fact that makes your claim fact, thanks!
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1. You only speak for yourself.

2. My proof is posted.

3. You have yet to post any proof of your assertion, that there is consensus in the scientific community that fetuses are human beings, because you can’t, because there isn’t consensus and you know it, which is why you’re lying.

C’mon, J, prove me wrong. Post your proof. I’m man enough to acknowledge when I’m wrong, what about you?
 
1. You only speak for yourself.

2. My proof is posted.

3. You have yet to post any proof of your assertion, that there is consensus in the scientific community that fetuses are human beings, because you can’t, because there isn’t consensus and you know it, which is why you’re lying.

C’mon, J, prove me wrong. Post your proof. I’m man enough to acknowledge when I’m wrong, what about you?
Another post and still nothing, weird, its almost like you think you changed something and you didnt just waste a post and further my entertainment LMAO

well we are still in the same spot, heres your qoute
By scientific, fetuses aren’t “humans”.
so far you nor anybody has posted anything that makes your claim a fact.

Until you can nothing else you post, personal attacks, triggered meltdowns, dodges, deflections, lies etc etc matters. It just further exposes the reality your statement has no factual support that makes it true. 🤷‍♂️ Getting angry over that surely wont change it.

Please let us know when that changes, thanks!
 
Another post and still nothing, weird, its almost like you think you changed something and you didnt just waste a post and further my entertainment LMAO

well we are still in the same spot, heres your qoute

so far you nor anybody has posted anything that makes your claim a fact.

Until you can nothing else you post, personal attacks, triggered meltdowns, dodges, deflections, lies etc etc matters. It just further exposes the reality your statement has no factual support that makes it true. 🤷‍♂️ Getting angry over that surely wont change it.

Please let us know when that changes, thanks!
As expected. More pathetic evading and kiddie taunts.
 
As expected. More pathetic evading and kiddie taunts.
Again? more anger, personal attacks and triggered meltdowns? LOL . . .wow 🤷‍♂️

fact remains no support has been posted to make this claim below true
By scientific, fetuses aren’t “humans”.

If ANYBODY has any please post it for us, thank you!




Also FYI this has nothing to do with anybody's personal abortion argument, the claim above was made and i find it interesting because I've never seen any science that supports it so im curious if any exits .. so far none has been present.
 
Theres not? says who? what branch of scientist say otherwise or group or how many say otherwise for it not to be a consensus?
Again I've never seen that info anywhere, please provide it
You're the one asserting there is a scientific consensus on what is and what is not human life. It is not on me to prove a negative. It's on you to prove the assertion is correct.
 
You're the one asserting there is a scientific consensus on what is and what is not human life. It is not on me to prove a negative. It's on you to prove the assertion is correct.
100% factually wrong. It was claimed "By scientific, fetuses aren’t “humans”." by another (look one post up for the quote), then you claimed they are right. I asked that person to prove THEIR statement and stated I've never seen any evidence of that and over the years many links have been posted otherwise.

So nope, not on me at all 😁
 
My suggestion, if you are against abortion don't get one but I'm interested in why some folks think they have the right to tell women what they can and can't do about the issue.

Are you against abortion for religious beliefs?

I'm an Atheist.

Life begins when the fetus becomes a sentient being; is conscious; and aware of its own existence. That happens roughly around 22-24 weeks.

Prior to that, I don't care what you do.

Note that my position is consistent with the US Supreme Court's definitions of life and death.

A better question would be what gives a woman the right to kill a sentient being without due process in accordance with the 5th and 14th Amendments?

It's ironic that you'd scream "religion" while women play god.
 
My suggestion, if you are against abortion don't get one but I'm interested in why some folks think they have the right to tell women what they can and can't do about the issue.

Are you against abortion for religious beliefs? If so you are basically saying we should make laws based on your religious beliefs of christianity. Would that be an accurate assessment?

If you are saying it's because abortion is murder in your opinion. Your opinion doesn't matter, the law says it's not murder.

Which leaves one other option, the control of women by men.

So, what's your personal reason for trying to strip away the rights of women?
I'm pro-choice and you're out of line. Plenty of people want RvW overturned simply because they believe it should be handled by the States instead of the Fed. Still others read RvW Section 9a and finde that current law fulfills that requirement, meaning that RvW itself bans abortion; they don't want RvW overturned, they want RvW ENFORCED to ban abortion.
 
You're right in that there is not a scientific consensus that a fetus is a human being, but that is really not the issue here. Abortion is, ultimately, a moral question and not a scientific question.
No it isn't; what about a foetus so badly deformed during pregnancy that it has no chance of survival, or an anencephalic foetus? There is nothing immoral about terminating a 'life' like that. Then there are the victims of rape who may have no means of supporting a child, let alone wanting to bring up and nurture the consequence of their assault.
 
To do whatever it takes to win games for the organization that is paying me.
So screw any considerations for the wellbeing of those under your care, because a stupid game and money are more important? That is truly sick; you're not in the ****ing army.
 
100% factually wrong. It was claimed "By scientific, fetuses aren’t “humans”." by another (look one post up for the quote), then you claimed they are right. I asked that person to prove THEIR statement and stated I've never seen any evidence of that and over the years many links have been posted otherwise.

So nope, not on me at all 😁
You're welcome to all the semantic gymnastics you like, but there is no consensus among scientists on when a developing human embryo/fetus becomes "human." Here's what looks like a good write-up; emphasis added to the quote:

SCOTT GILBERT WAS walking through the halls of Swarthmore when he saw the poster, from a campus religious group: “Philosophers and theologians have argued for centuries about when personhood begins,” it read. “But scientists know when it begins. It begins at fertilization.” What troubled Gilbert, who is a developmental biologist, was the assertion that “scientists know.” “I couldn’t say when personhood begins, but I can say with absolute certainty scientists don’t have a consensus,” he says.

Science can tell us when life begins, but the question of when that life becomes human is not a scientific question. It's a moral question, and on matters or morality scientists are no more the experts than, say, accountants or shopkeepers.
 
You're welcome to all the semantic gymnastics you like, but there is no consensus among scientists on when a developing human embryo/fetus becomes "human." Here's what looks like a good write-up; emphasis added to the quote:

SCOTT GILBERT WAS walking through the halls of Swarthmore when he saw the poster, from a campus religious group: “Philosophers and theologians have argued for centuries about when personhood begins,” it read. “But scientists know when it begins. It begins at fertilization.” What troubled Gilbert, who is a developmental biologist, was the assertion that “scientists know.” “I couldn’t say when personhood begins, but I can say with absolute certainty scientists don’t have a consensus,” he says.

Science can tell us when life begins, but the question of when that life becomes human is not a scientific question. It's a moral question, and on matters or morality scientists are no more the experts than, say, accountants or shopkeepers.
And the religious right-wing 'pro-life' hypocrites who are the majority opponents to Roe v Wade are experts in morality? Don't make me laugh! Their 'morality' ends as soon as an unwanted child is born and relegated to a life of institutional misery; no parents, no love, no nurturing, no socialisation. Once these kids reach the age of majority they have to fend for themselves and many end up on the streets; homeless, vulnerable and the victims of drug pushers, alcohol abuse and crime. You want to put a child through that because 'morals'?
 
No it isn't; what about a foetus so badly deformed during pregnancy that it has no chance of survival, or an anencephalic foetus? There is nothing immoral about terminating a 'life' like that. Then there are the victims of rape who may have no means of supporting a child, let alone wanting to bring up and nurture the consequence of their assault.
Your apparent need to gainsay has left you blind on this issue.

What you are describing above are not scientific questions. They are moral questions. When is a fetus so badly deformed it cannot be considered human? Since a rape victim played no willing part in the creation of a human, is she obligated to carry it to term? These are both perfectly reasonable questions to ask when it comes to abortion rights, but they are not questions of science. Science may establish the facts that inform us how badly the fetus is deformed or prove conclusively that the woman was raped, but science does not tell us what to do with those facts.

(I'm not sure why, but our friends on the left have more trouble distinguishing morality from objective truth more than any other group I've seen, and that includes the Christian right. At least the fundies generally know they're moralizing.)
 
And the religious right-wing 'pro-life' hypocrites who are the majority opponents to Roe v Wade are experts in morality? Don't make me laugh! Their 'morality' ends as soon as an unwanted child is born and relegated to a life of institutional misery; no parents, no love, no nurturing, no socialisation. Once these kids reach the age of majority they have to fend for themselves and many end up on the streets; homeless, vulnerable and the victims of drug pushers, alcohol abuse and crime. You want to put a child through that because 'morals'?
Wouldn't surprise me to learn the average Christian is more charitable than are you.
 
Your apparent need to gainsay has left you blind on this issue.

What you are describing above are not scientific questions. They are moral questions. When is a fetus so badly deformed it cannot be considered human? Since a rape victim played no willing part in the creation of a human, is she obligated to carry it to term? These are both perfectly reasonable questions to ask when it comes to abortion rights, but they are not questions of science. Science may establish the facts that inform us how badly the fetus is deformed or prove conclusively that the woman was raped, but science does not tell us what to do with those facts.

(I'm not sure why, but our friends on the left have more trouble distinguishing morality from objective truth more than any other group I've seen, and that includes the Christian right. At least the fundies generally know they're moralizing.)
Foetuses can develop without a brain. That isn't a 'life'. 'Morality' is a moveable feast and what was once considered morally ok, like burning witches, hunting animals for 'trophies' is now morally reprehensible.
 
Wouldn't surprise me to learn the average Christian is more charitable than are you.
Christian charity always comes along with proselytization and moralistic preaching. They prey on those who are most vulnerable in order to spread their religion. It's sick. Charity shouldn't come with caveats.
 
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