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If you are against abortion, why?

Crovax said:
You are saying that if your opinion is again the current law it doesn’t matter? How would anything change if that were a legitimate position to have?
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People who can’t have babies or haven’t adopted have no legitimate opinion to share.
 
Logical1 said:
For the simple fact that is is the murder of a human being. Is that so hard to understand?
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Fetuses, by definition, are no more “human beings” than a chassis at the start of the assembly line is a car.
 
Logical1 said:
For the simple fact that is is the murder of a human being. Is that so hard to understand?
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Yes that would be impossible to understand since thats not a fact and abortion by definition will never be equal to murder.
Been her for 10+ years and not one single poster has ever been able to prove they are equal, not one
 
bongsaway said:
My suggestion, if you are against abortion don't get one but I'm interested in why some folks think they have the right to tell women what they can and can't do about the issue.
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Right... and if you are against molesting kids, don't molest one - don't worry about what pedophiles do with their body parts...

bongsaway said:
Are you against abortion for religious beliefs? If so you are basically saying we should make laws based on your religious beliefs of christianity. Would that be an accurate assessment?
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There's no "religious" belief that doesn't have a "non-religious" equivalent. So this is a rather trite augment to begin with.

Murder is a sin in the Bible and world religions; it is illegal to murder under state and federal law - do you believe laws against murder should be repealed since they are based on "religious" beliefs, such as those of Christianity (which proceeded and influenced every modern form of law)?

bongsaway said:
If you are saying it's because abortion is murder in your opinion. Your opinion doesn't matter, the law says it's not murder.
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Right, and so we simply change the law and have it defined as murder - then your opinion that it's a "right to choice" or whatnot is deemed irrelevant - that's the agenda to push for.

bongsaway said:
Which leaves one other option, the control of women by men.
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Legally, men "control" and have a right to "control" women under our law - the majority of government officials in any first-world country are men, they do, legally, have the right to pass laws related to abortion one way or another, and very well do just that, whether you - or any "woman" you're thinking of - like it or not.

bongsaway said:
So, what's your personal reason for trying to strip away the rights of women?
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it would be more akin to changing the definitions so that it is no longer a "right", and therefore rendering your opinion that it is a "right" null and void.

RaleBulgarian said:
Fetuses, by definition, are no more “human beings” than a chassis at the start of the assembly line is a car.
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A definition that's easily amendable, yes.
 
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RaleBulgarian said:
Bans on abortion take away a woman’s right to control what happens with her body.

Hopefully, I’ve dumbed down the answer enough that even you can understand.
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1) Why are you inclined to insult me just because you disagree with me?
2) How do abortion bans take away a womans right to control what happens with her body?
It doesn't restrict whether a woman becomes pregnant or not.
It doesn't restrict whether a woman can have sex or not.
 
Maccabee said:
I'm against abortion because it ends a human life. However, I recognize it's need with our current healthcare. Which is why I support thing like universal healthcare that covers alternative contraceptives. This way, abortion will become obsolete with the exception of the life of the mother at risk or a severe birth defect that's terminal shortly after birth.
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Why would it be obsolete? It’s just a medical procedure.
 
Dayton3 said:
It doesn't restrict whether a woman becomes pregnant or not.
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Of course it does if the penalty is childbirth or death if it’s a red enough shithole state.
 
Utilitarian Technocrat said:
Right, and so we simply change the law and have it defined as murder - then your opinion that it's a "right to choice" or whatnot is deemed irrelevant - that's the agenda to push for.
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Just like 2A.
 
NatMorton said:
The laws in both our countries once said it was legal for one human being to own another. Times change. Laws can change.
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Yes but owning a human being and a woman seeking an abortion aren’t the same.

When men give us say over their balls, we can have this talk.
 
NatMorton said:
The laws in both our countries once said it was legal for one human being to own another. Times change. Laws can change.
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Yes, well we are no longer mediaeval serfs, owned by the lord of the manor. Tell me, are there any other laws which apply only to women?
 
Dayton3 said:
1) Why are you inclined to insult me just because you disagree with me?
2) How do abortion bans take away a womans right to control what happens with her body?
It doesn't restrict whether a woman becomes pregnant or not.
It doesn't restrict whether a woman can have sex or not.
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Easy it violates her current legal, human and equal rights and forces her to risk her life and health against her will
 
Several posts in this thread say, more or less, abortion isn't murder because the Supreme Court says so. But does that mean abortion is murder if RvW is overturned by that very same court?
 
Utilitarian Technocrat said:
Right... and if you are against molesting kids, don't molest one - don't worry about what pedophiles do with their body parts...
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Molestation is a crime and violation of anothers legal rights so thats not anologus at all
Utilitarian Technocrat said:
There's no "religious" belief that doesn't have a "non-religious" equivalent. So this is a rather trite augment to begin with.
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Actually there are but the point its my religion doesnt rule america and trump rights
Utilitarian Technocrat said:
Murder is a sin in the Bible and world religions; it is illegal to murder under state and federal law - do you believe laws against murder should be repealed since they are based on "religious" beliefs, such as those of Christianity (which proceeded and influenced every modern form of law)?
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ABortion =/= murder so that fails too
Utilitarian Technocrat said:
Right, and so we simply change the law and have it defined as murder - then your opinion that it's a "right to choice" or whatnot is deemed irrelevant - that's the agenda to push for.
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Cant be done unless we want to violate the current legal, human and civil rights of women and treat them as lessers in society. Theres a reason the majorty of first world countries with governments based on rights have prochoice laws and then many that have prolife laws are not countries with governments based on rights but dictatorships and theocracies etc.
Utilitarian Technocrat said:
Legally, men "control" and have a right to "control" women under our law - the majority of government officials in any first-world country are men, they do, legally, have the right to pass laws related to abortion one way or another, and very well do just that, whether you - or any "woman" you're thinking of - like it or not.
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This is pure nonsense and factually not true based on the content of the statement that you replied too LMAO How you tried to twist to somethign else and think that would work is beyond me,
Utilitarian Technocrat said:
it would be more akin to changing the definitions so that it is no longer a "right", and therefore rendering your opinion that it is a "right" null and void.
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it would be akin to making a woman a second class citizen and lesser, just like saying minorities nos longer have the right to be equal. no thanks, america isnt going backwards
 
NatMorton said:
The laws in both our countries once said it was legal for one human being to own another. Times change. Laws can change.
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America wont be going backwards, violating womens current legal, human and civil rights and making them lesser . . .
when times changed in this regard we improved them and legally respect women as equals.
 
AGENT J said:
America wont be going backwards, violating womens current legal, human and civil rights and making them lesser . . .
when times changed in this regard we improved them and legally respect women as equals.
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Curious, do you support on-demand third trimester abortion?
 
NatMorton said:
Several posts in this thread say, more or less, abortion isn't murder because the Supreme Court says so. But does that mean abortion is murder if RvW is overturned by that very same court?
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Does that mean you currently don’t believe abortion is murder?
 
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