If Voter ID is racist, what is keeping races from getting Voter ID?[W:243,567]

[recalcitrant]

Why can't minorities get Voter ID? What keeps from getting a Voter ID?

 

[Respecthelect]

Democratic desire to commit voter fraud prevents voter ID's.

How can Democrats commit voter fraud, if people are required to show ID? Yes, they can tinker with the new electronic voting machines or they can replace votes on the way from precincts to counting, but these methods aren't as reliable as hiring bus-loads of immigrants and driving them from precinct to precinct to vote over and over. Most elections are within a few percent, so a single bus-load of illegals can tip most elections in most precincts.

 

[recalcitrant]

Minorities cannot get a voter ID. This is what I always hear. But I never hear about how this is true.

 

[PeteEU]

The problem is not the idea of voter ID, but how it is often implemented by the GOP run states. The rules are designed to be exclusive and target minorities and elderly. Any voter ID system should be inclusive. Any official ID with a picture should be enough but that is not what GOP states often do and they often place a restrictive cost on issuing an official ID to vote.

 

[recalcitrant]

they often place a restrictive cost on issuing an official ID to vote.

Do they? I read a washington post article that said the same thing about it targeting minorities and the elderly. I wonder how much it costs? Hundreds? Thousands?

 

[PeteEU]

Do they? I read a washington post article that said the same thing about it targeting minorities and the elderly. I wonder how much it costs? Hundreds? Thousands?

Point is, it should not cost anything.. the state should eat the cost via taxes. In Denmark every citizen is sent a voter registration document (voter registration is automatic in Denmark) with name, address and SS number. At the voting station you present this and an official ID (everyone has one.. even your bank card with picture is valid) and you can vote. Now in the US you could provide official voter ID document to anyone who asks.. for free and allow that all forms of official ID (passport, drivers license and so on) are allowed to be used as voter ID.

 

[jamesrage]

Point is, it should not cost anything.. the state should eat the cost via taxes. In Denmark every citizen is sent a voter registration document (voter registration is automatic in Denmark) with name, address and SS number. At the voting station you present this and an official ID (everyone has one.. even your bank card with picture is valid) and you can vote. Now in the US you could provide official voter ID document to anyone who asks.. for free and allow that all forms of official ID (passport, drivers license and so on) are allowed to be used as voter ID.

Most states provide free or low cost ID.Those generally opposed to voter ID could care less if ID is low cost or free.

 

[recalcitrant]

Point is, it should not cost anything..

In Texas, if you vote by mail, you don't need to show racist ageist expensive ID. But I guess postage and stationary is a draconian cost to the elderly and minorities too.
I visited the Texas website for voter ID and there appears to be no fees charged for getting a voter ID. Where's the cost?

 

[PeteEU]

Most states provide free or low cost ID.

"Most states".. and "low cost".. that is the problem.

Those generally opposed to voter ID could care less if ID is low cost or free.

Never heard anyone on these boards claiming that voter ID is wrong and should not exist. All the complaints has been due to the rules in individual states and the cost involved which has disenfranchised many people.

 

[PeteEU]

In Texas, if you vote by mail, you don't need to show racist ageist expensive ID. But I guess postage and stationary is a draconian cost to the elderly and minorities too.

You have to pay for the postage to vote via mail? Tsk...

I visited the Texas website for voter ID and there appears to be no fees charged for getting a voter ID. Where's the cost?

Why are you focusing only on Texas? The rules are sadly not universal, which means other states do put a cost on and restrictions. For example, I think it is Virginia or one of the Carlolinas that had a case where an elderly woman who had worked for the state for decades, but was born in a rural area in the early part of the 1900s where birth certificates were rarely issued. Because of this new voter ID law, she was barred from voting because to get the new voter ID she would have to present a birth certificate.. which should could. And this is despite being on the state's payroll for 40+ years.

 

[recalcitrant]

All the complaints has been due to the rules in individual states and the cost involved which has disenfranchised many people.

Still trying to figure out what that cost is. Is it just transportation?

 

[tres borrachos]

The problem is not the idea of voter ID, but how it is often implemented by the GOP run states. The rules are designed to be exclusive and target minorities and elderly. Any voter ID system should be inclusive. Any official ID with a picture should be enough but that is not what GOP states often do and they often place a restrictive cost on issuing an official ID to vote.

How much?

 

[recalcitrant]

You have to pay for the postage to vote via mail? Tsk...

I don't know. Maybe? I don't know. Probably doesn't. Secretary of State in Texas probably covers the $0.35 to vote by mail. But since Texas is a place that passed racist and ageist Voter ID legislation it probably costs $3,500 to vote by mail.

For example, I think it is Virginia or one of the Carlolinas that had a case where an elderly woman who had worked for the state for decades, but was born in a rural area in the early part of the 1900s where birth certificates were rarely issued. Because of this new voter ID law, she was barred from voting because to get the new voter ID she would have to present a birth certificate.. which should could. And this is despite being on the state's payroll for 40+ years.

Make exceptions for people who were born in places and times where birth certificates were rarely issued. Boom. Problem solved.

 

[tres borrachos]

Why can't minorities get Voter ID? What keeps from getting a Voter ID?

It isn't racist, but MSNBC and Al Sharpton like the sounds of the words.

 

[Muhammed]

Any official ID with a picture should be enough but that is not what GOP states often do and they often place a restrictive cost on issuing an official ID to vote.

What state does that?

 

[Muhammed]

Most states provide free or low cost ID.Those generally opposed to voter ID could care less if ID is low cost or free.

Exactly, because all they really want is to keep it easy to commit voter fraud.

And since Democrats tend to be less moral than Republicans of course the fraud is going to benefit the Democrats.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Given everything an ID is needed for these days, including dealing with the government, I do not understand the resistance to voter ID laws.

 

[recalcitrant]

I'd just really like to know how Voter IDs are racist.

 

[Perotista]

Why can't minorities get Voter ID? What keeps from getting a Voter ID?

It is a photo ID that is required. Drivers licence, any federal or state government ID with a photo, Passport photo, tribal photo, a plain Georgia ID that can be obtain free of charge and I probably forgot some. Voter ID is kind of a misnomer.

The way I see it, to cash a check, buy beer, to conduct numerous business activities, to enter certain government buildings one must show an ID. Why the big humpty do to vote?

Besides from what I have seen, most of the fraud occurs at registration. Illegals, underage, non citizens etc, these firms or people who go house to house register everyone and anyone usually with no documentation required. Clean up registration and that will eliminate most fraud.

 

[recalcitrant]

Apparently Denmark has it right. There's no racism in their voter ID because it's all free. But it seems to be free in many other places that require voter ID. Confused..

 

[NotreDame]

The problem is not the idea of voter ID, but how it is often implemented by the GOP run states. The rules are designed to be exclusive and target minorities and elderly. Any voter ID system should be inclusive. Any official ID with a picture should be enough but that is not what GOP states often do and they often place a restrictive cost on issuing an official ID to vote.

How are some or any voter ID laws presently in existence "designed" to be exclusive and target minorities and elderly?

 

[joG]

Why can't minorities get Voter ID? What keeps from getting a Voter ID?

It does seem rather third worldish and would be quite easily dealt with, if one wanted.

But, how big is the problem?

 

[Lovebug]

Voting should be considered a privilege and everyone eligible to vote should be honored and willing to show forth proper ID, making sure the process is without fraud. It should be in all our interest.
Those who keep dangling racism in front of everyone's nose should realize that is it not just minorities who are at or near the poverty line or are elderly.
Steps have been taken, making sure that voters IDs are available for all. If something was missed and hinders your getting an ID for whatever reason, alert the proper authorities so that a solution can be found. But stop moaning about discrimination. All one has to do is make a simple effort. Is that too much to ask?
It is unbelievable to me about how little some people moan and groan. What has happened that people feel entitled to be spoon fed all the rest of their days?

 

[Thom Paine]

the problem is not the idea of voter id, but how it is often implemented by the gop run states. The rules are designed to be exclusive and target minorities and elderly. Any voter id system should be inclusive. Any official id with a picture should be enough but that is not what gop states often do and they often place a restrictive cost on issuing an official id to vote.

poppycock !!

 

[ttwtt78640]

The problem is not the idea of voter ID, but how it is often implemented by the GOP run states. The rules are designed to be exclusive and target minorities and elderly. Any voter ID system should be inclusive. Any official ID with a picture should be enough but that is not what GOP states often do and they often place a restrictive cost on issuing an official ID to vote.

Wrong - the photo ID must contain the name, address, age and be exclusive. A passport is useless because it can be used for voting in multiple states/districts. You have yet to provide an example of a state issued, photo ID with a "restrictive" cost. Those opposed to voter ID laws (but abide, or even demand, them for buying guns, ammo, tobacco and alcohol) generally say that voter fraud is rare and then come up with an equally rare sob story about a little old lady born in the (US?) woods that cannot obtain a birth certificate.