If Trump were lying about voter fraud . . .

[less right]

If Trump lied about the election then things would be just as they are now. Things are the way they are now therefore Trump lied about the election.

 

[motorpsychle]

I kept wondering how in the world Trump would come up with the election fraud story.

The solution I found: "who smelled it, dealt it".

I guess Trump came to the presidency by massive voter fraud. That Is the only reason for my, why he would believe, he was duped afterwards. Because he knows it's possible.

Also it would make America look better. That he was not voted by a majority. In my view

 

[Craig234]

I'm not sure if the OP is someone who fell for the con and is just getting a tiny idea that maybe trump lies and asking a question, or if he's just trying to find a way to get through to the suckers who fell for it by showing them that this is what it would look like if he did lie, hint hint.

 

[Craig234]

If Trump lied about the election then things would be just as they are now. Things are the way they are now therefore Trump lied about the election.

Your logic is wrong. For example: if Joe Biden stole the election, then this forum would be online. This forum is online, therefore Joe Biden stole the election. What your statement actually says simply that trump might have stolen the election; all you could say for sure with your argument is that if things weren't as they are not, trump didn't lie, and that's wrong also because your premise is wrong.

 

[j brown's body]

It is all irrelevant. Trump insisted that if he loses, it will be due to fraud. This is what tyrants say. The rest is just noise.

If you still supported this man, you attacked democracy.

 

[less right]

Your logic is wrong. For example: if Joe Biden stole the election, then this forum would be online. This forum is online, therefore Joe Biden stole the election. What your statement actually says simply that trump might have stolen the election; all you could say for sure with your argument is that if things weren't as they are not, trump didn't lie, and that's wrong also because your premise is wrong.

My logic is wrong because it was meant to mimic what I hear around here.

Trump lied about the election is backed up by the rest of his administration, fifty states, sixty court cases, and now Congress. What have you got?

 

[jnug]

Trump lied about all of it:
- He first poisoned the water claiming that the only way he could lose the election is if it was fixed....an absurd pronouncement intended to poison the water pre-election
- He followed that up with "Stand down and Stand by" and we all know how Radical Domestic Terror organizations took that
- Then post election Donnie proceeded to tell the most fantastical LIES about the state of the 2020 election claiming that there was widespread fraud and malfeasance having not a shred of evidence that there was any and sent out his sick sycophantic half baked lawyers including Drunken Rudy to make the same claims all shot down in Courts around the country
- in the process he made his claims specifically about mainly large black and indigenous voter blocks as a means to roil his mainly white and in some cases whack job base
- Then when Donnie failed to get the courts to respond to his nonsense claims about the 2020 election he tried to arm twist state officials particularly in Georgia to break their own state election laws in an effort to get them to flip EC delegates from Biden to Trrump
- When that effort failed he tried to claim that Mike Pence had the Constitutional authority to do what he could not do in his January 6th ministerial role during the Legislative certification process and claimed that Lawmakers had the Constitutional authority to do what THEY could not do in the same process all in an effort to roil the mob he had called to DC for the express purpose of disrupting the actual Constitutional process that was to take place on the 6th
- Then Donnie unleashed the mob he called to DC in multiple tweets on the Capitol hoping to disrupt the process to such an extent that the clock would run out and the vote would be thrown to whatever was left of the House of Representatives for a State Delegation count after the INSURRECTION which was Trump's last best hope of STEALING Biden's legitimately won election. Of course Donnie cared not who was injured, who was killed and what was damaged or stolen in this INSURRECTION. All Donnie cared about was attempting this Hail Mary Pass of an Insurrection to disrupt the process enough to run out the clock and turn it over to a Delegation Count in the House. That the entire country would be splayed open from the neck to the crotch mattered not one bit to Donnie
When it became obvious that even the Insurrectionists let Donnie down because both House and Senate were coming back into session that very night to complete the certification, Donnie had Rudy throw one last Hail Mary Pass and attempt to contact Sen. Tuberville asking that he find some way to delay the session further again hoping to run out the clock on the certification and throw it to a Delegation count in the House of Representatives

So ....sorry Trumphumpers, Trump's lies fueled this Insurrection. His intentions were obvious and just as every other dastardly deed Donnie tried to steal this election failed, those outlined above failed also.

 

[calamity]

What would be different from the current situation
if it were true that Trump were lying about widespread voter fraud / stealing the election?

How would things look then?

What markers can we use to differentiate our current state of affairs from a world where Trump really was lying about widespread voter fraud stealing the election?

Even if you don't respond here,
at least consider this question in the privacy of your own mind.

lol....I read the first few words, "If Trump were dying...." and I almost started calling friends to celebrate.


Yeah. That is where my mind is at when it comes to that ****er.

 

[Hari Seldon]

There was voter fraud. The level is unknown but considered acceptable

Yea like that guy in PA who voted trump for his dead mother.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Actually, he said the same things about 2012.

More reports of voting machines switching Romney votes to Obama. Pay close attention to the machines, don't let your vote be stolen
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012

Make sure to verify the voting machine does not switch your vote. If you have any problems, notify the poll workers.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012

This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012

We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012

Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012

Wow, I had no idea he said all of this in 2012. This is even more proof that he's an idiot who believes conspiracy theories without any evidence.

We're so fortunate we survived these 4 years with a president who is capable of believing complete nonsense. What if someone convinced him that the Chinese were planning a nuclear strike?

 

[CaughtInThe]

if a person hasn't figured out that Trump lies constantly then it's a reflection on that person's intelligence.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Wow, I had no idea he said all of this in 2012. This is even more proof that he's an idiot who believes conspiracy theories without any evidence.

We're so fortunate we survived these 4 years with a president who is capable of believing complete nonsense. What if someone convinced him that the Chinese were planning a nuclear strike?

He can go back to finding Obama's birth certificate.

 

[calamity]

What would be different from the current situation
if it were true that Trump were lying about widespread voter fraud / stealing the election?

How would things look then?

What markers can we use to differentiate our current state of affairs from a world where Trump really was lying about widespread voter fraud stealing the election?

Even if you don't respond here,
at least consider this question in the privacy of your own mind.

He did lie. So, your premise is dumb. It's like asking how would the world be different if we had a sun or oceans or mountains with snow on top of them.

 

[Craig234]

My logic is wrong because it was meant to mimic what I hear around here.

Trump lied about the election is backed up by the rest of his administration, fifty states, sixty court cases, and now Congress. What have you got?

You're confused.

First you say you were paraphrasing bad logic you heard. OK. Then you ask me what I have to prove a lie I oppose, and bring up unrelated things about it being a lie?

 

[Lutherf]

What would be different from the current situation
if it were true that Trump were lying about widespread voter fraud / stealing the election?

How would things look then?

What markers can we use to differentiate our current state of affairs from a world where Trump really was lying about widespread voter fraud stealing the election?

Even if you don't respond here,
at least consider this question in the privacy of your own mind.

We are living in the Propaganda Era and the issue at hand is not whether Trump was lying or not. The issue is how many people you can get to believe that there was no fraud.

It would be rather simple to expose Trump's lies by merely presenting clear, unambiguous evidence of those lies. That, however, will never be done because doing so would expose the extent of the corruption in our electoral system.

 

[Variant]

It's a pretty symple logical statement for the right wing:

If Trump wins the election is fair
else the election was rigged.

Trump had been claiming the election would be rigged for months ahead of time, and he was preparing to claim the same last time (when he actually won) so this isn't about evidence.

Also thinking about it... Trump claimed the election was rigged even when he won because he didn't think it was possible that he didn't win by more.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

It would be rather simple to expose Trump's lies by merely presenting clear, unambiguous evidence of those lies. That, however, will never be done because doing so would expose the extent of the corruption in our electoral system.

If Trump were lying, what would be the clear and simple way to demonstrate the lack of evidence of widespread voter fraud stealing the election?

Would the evidence which demonstrates the lack of evidence of widespread voter fraud stealing the election look like those fields of ****s memes?

or maybe like this?

Here is a picture of where I would keep all the evidence of widespread voter fraud stealing the election . . .
IF I HAD ANY!!

 

[Craig234]

We are living in the Propaganda Era and the issue at hand is not whether Trump was lying or not. The issue is how many people you can get to believe that there was no fraud.

It would be rather simple to expose Trump's lies by merely presenting clear, unambiguous evidence of those lies. That, however, will never be done because doing so would expose the extent of the corruption in our electoral system.

Your commentary is insane. It is asserting a lie without any proof, and demanding that the negative be proven. It's like saying prove trump didn't rape a horse in the Oval Office last month. You weren't there, I wasn't there. You can't prove he didn't so he did, right?

There's no such thing as clear unambiguous evidence unless you could watch each person vote in the election and how they voted, and count all the votes yourself, so if common sense, and understanding how the system works and how many people are involved, and that trump is a pathological liar who lied 20,000+ times isn't enough, what is? Only a cult would be as loyal as you just because he said it. Nice of the thieves to give Republicans some House seats.

 

[joluoto]

He was lying about voter fraud already in 2016, despite winning he was butthurt he didn't win the popular vote and was whining that the only reason Hillary got more votes than him was fraud.

 

[jnug]

We are living in the Propaganda Era and the issue at hand is not whether Trump was lying or not. The issue is how many people you can get to believe that there was no fraud.

It would be rather simple to expose Trump's lies by merely presenting clear, unambiguous evidence of those lies. That, however, will never be done because doing so would expose the extent of the corruption in our electoral system.

No....it was and is Donnie's responsibility to present clear and unambiguous evidence that there was widespread election fraud and malfeasance. Its not everybody else's responsibility to try to prove something did not happen. Its Donnie's responsibility to prove something did happen to the election. Trying to prove something DID NOT HAPPEN is a fools errand, illogical and an invitation to circular arguments, a cornerstone of developing CT's. It is in a word, a ridiculous ask.

In addition, you should stop throwing up straw men and hoping nobody will catch them. There is always some fraud in elections, like the Trumphumpers that were caught playing the election fraud game in Pennsylvania for example. The issue has never been whether or not one could find some fraud in every election. The issue was and always has been widespread fraud and malfeasance none of which Donnie thad evidence occurred, fraud or malfeasance that would actually effect the outcome. But you boys keep living in your upside down world where everybody else has to prove to you that the election was legit when Donnie does not have a single shred of evidence that it was not.

Trumphumpers are either so unscrupulous that they will do anything to maintain Donnie's lies or so addicted to CT's that they will do anything to maintain them, give them oxygen or start new ones. They have ZERO credibility any longer. They have used it all up and are now fully invested in cultish Qanon CT nonsense. Try tp build a political future out of that. GOOD LUCK......anybody trying is going to need it.

 

[VySky]

No....it was and is Donnie's responsibility to present clear and unambiguous evidence that there was widespread election fraud and malfeasance. Its not everybody else's responsibility to try to prove something did not happen. Its Donnie's responsibility to prove something did happen to the election. Trying to prove something DID NOT HAPPEN is a fools errand, illogical and an invitation to circular arguments, a cornerstone of developing CT's. It is in a word, a ridiculous ask.

In addition, you should stop throwing up straw men and hoping nobody will catch them. There is always some fraud in elections, like the Trumphumpers that were caught playing the election fraud game in Pennsylvania for example. The issue has never been whether or not one could find some fraud in every election. The issue was and always has been widespread fraud and malfeasance none of which Donnie thad evidence occurred, fraud or malfeasance that would actually effect the outcome. But you boys keep living in your upside down world where everybody else has to prove to you that the election was legit when Donnie does not have a single shred of evidence that it was not.

Trumphumpers are either so unscrupulous that they will do anything to maintain Donnie's lies or so addicted to CT's that they will do anything to maintain them, give them oxygen or start new ones. They have ZERO credibility any longer. They have used it all up and are now fully invested in cultish Qanon CT nonsense. Try tp build a political future out of that. GOOD LUCK......anybody trying is going to need it.

Fraud compounded with UnConstitutional actions from States like PA all add up. They tilt the scales. No way Biden received the support it appears he did. America isn’t that stupid to elect brain dead corpse with a soon to be VP turned POTUS who was vehemently rejected by its party in the Primaries. She couldn’t handle Gabby and she’s going to stand up to strong type A men? Good luck with that. I look fwd to the whining to come when Beijing Joe makes Americans lives uncomfortable from a momentary perspective. But I won’t pile on and tell you told you so. Oh, and all the Dems and libs in CA that purchased guns in the last year, and there were a bunch. Buying a gun then voting for Biden brings serious questions to the table as they are in direct opposition to one another. Elections do have consequences and all the young entitled blue handle pullers are going to suffer biggly.

 

[snakestretcher]

What would be different from the current situation
if it were true that Trump were lying about widespread voter fraud / stealing the election?

How would things look then?

What markers can we use to differentiate our current state of affairs from a world where Trump really was lying about widespread voter fraud stealing the election?

Even if you don't respond here,
at least consider this question in the privacy of your own mind.

What do you mean, "if"? Trump has been lying about election fraud since 2016. According to him 2016 was 'rigged'. Then he won that 'rigged' election without a single word of complaint subsequently. Now, as he said on more than one occasion that the only way he could lose 2020 was if the election was rigged, that presents something of a confusing dilemma for Trumpsters, does it not?

 

[jnug]

Fraud compounded with UnConstitutional actions from States like PA all add up. They tilt the scales. No way Biden received the support it appears he did. America isn’t that stupid to elect brain dead corpse with a soon to be VP turned POTUS who was vehemently rejected by its party in the Primaries. She couldn’t handle Gabby and she’s going to stand up to strong type A men? Good luck with that. I look fwd to the whining to come when Beijing Joe makes Americans lives uncomfortable from a momentary perspective. But I won’t pile on and tell you told you so. Oh, and all the Dems and libs in CA that purchased guns in the last year, and there were a bunch. Buying a gun then voting for Biden brings serious questions to the table as they are in direct opposition to one another. Elections do have consequences and all the young entitled blue handle pullers are going to suffer biggly.

They add up to NOTHING. Its just more supposition, hypothesis and conjecture. That is all Trumphumpers have. That is all Rudy and Powell ever had which is why they got nowhere in the courts. LISTEN TO YOURSELVES. Read your own posts. Find me a shred of actual evidence in there PLEASE!!!!!

 

[snakestretcher]

It is all irrelevant. Trump insisted that if he loses, it will be due to fraud. This is what tyrants say. The rest is just noise.

If you still supported this man, you attacked democracy.

And yet 2016 was also fraudulent according to Trump. Seems he had no problem accepting the result of that 'rigged' election!

 

[calamity]

We are living in the Propaganda Era and the issue at hand is not whether Trump was lying or not. The issue is how many people you can get to believe that there was no fraud.

It would be rather simple to expose Trump's lies by merely presenting clear, unambiguous evidence of those lies. That, however, will never be done because doing so would expose the extent of the corruption in our electoral system.

Lol...”it’s ‘easy’ to prove a negative.”