If Trump is not behaving as an authoritarian

[Hip octogenarian]

Really? He just said he "hates Democrats" why do you think his gestapo will stop with migrants? He liked undocumented immigrants enough to build his Golf courses didn't he? Democrats won't work cheap for him.

A 'pipeline' of undocumented immigrants reportedly helped build and maintain Trump's New Jersey golf club​

One former Costa Rican maintenance worker told the Post that his "whole town practically lived there" working to build and maintain the golf club. The Post spoke with 16 former club employees from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Mexico, and Guatemala; all said that they had worked illegally at Trump National Golf Club Bedminster, needing only a "crudely printed" fake green card and a fraudulent Social Security number obtained in the U.S., and that their managers knew of their status.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/8227...ed-build-maintain-trumps-new-jersey-golf-club

Hypocrisy, thy name is Trump.

 

[jaypatriot]

I think the author would object to you mistating his work and misquoting it. It's almost as if you don't care that he basically said your premise is bunk.

Does "bunk" he didn't like it?

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

WINS his cases? The guys is a 34-count convicted felon and rapist.

Judge in E. Jean Carroll Case: Yes, Donald Trump Is a Rapist

A judge rejected Trump’s semantic attempt to throw out the case.

newrepublic.com

 

[ataraxia]

So you are saying that Donald Trump is not a criminal, despite all the evidence, because of statute of limitation issues?

Now do a video about the tolling issues with that.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Interesting question. Did you determine corporate malfeasance is more common than government malfeasance?

Easily. Corporate malfeasance is almost always profit driven. Look at Boeing. This is why regulations are important. We know if left to their own devices, corp america would kill a good percentage of us.

 

[RF667799]

Easily. Corporate malfeasance is almost always profit driven. Look at Boeing. This is why regulations are important. We know if left to their own devices, corp america would kill a good percentage of us.

No, I didn't ask which one you favored.

 

[The Brad Dad]

No, I didn't ask which one you favored.

I favor Americans getting something in return for their taxes instead of just a tax cut for Jared Kushner.

 

[RF667799]

I favor Americans getting something in return for their taxes instead of just a tax cut for Jared Kushner.

You seem to have lost the thread and are just tossing up random boilerplate.

Have a good day.

 

[The Brad Dad]

You seem to have lost the thread and are just tossing up random boilerplate.

Have a good day.

I’d run too lol

 

[aociswundumho]

You seem ignorant of the fact that Stalin and Hitler were enemies.

Yes, they were great enemies:

After the signing ceremony, Stalin proposed a toast: "I know how much the German people love their Fuehrer," he said. "I should therefore like to drink to his health."

The "hatred" was mutual:

Stalin is one of the most extraordinary figures in world history.

Birthday wishes:

In a telegram to Hitler in response to his congratulations on his 60th birthday in December 1939, Stalin repeated and strengthened this idea: “The friendship of the peoples of Germany and the Soviet Union, cemented by blood, has every reason to be long and strong.”

You certainly know what you're talking about.

Did you not know that the US and USSR were allies in WWII? You show an ignorance both of history and of what fascism really is. By the way, that definition of fascism is exactly correct, as anyone with even a slight knowledge of the English language would know.

Yes, a fascist state is pretty much like any other socialist state, with a few minor differences.

 

[Hip octogenarian]

Yes, they were great enemies:



The "hatred" was mutual:



Birthday wishes:



You certainly know what you're talking about.



Yes, a fascist state is pretty much like any other socialist state, with a few minor differences.

Whatever Stalin and Hitler were, they were on opposite sides in WWII. Fascism is a far right concept. Socialism is far left. Please consult a dictionary and learn.

 

[aociswundumho]

Fascism is a far right concept.

Wrong.

Thread 'Mussolini and fascism are both left wing'

Nov 26, 2023

Mussolini was the father of fascism. Lets look at some facts about Mussolini:

Mussolini was an Atheist:

He believed that science had proven there was no god, and that the historical Jesus was ignorant and mad. He considered religion a disease of the psyche, and accused Christianity of promoting resignation and cowardice.

Mussolini was a student of Marx:

Mussolini was so familiar with Marxist literature that in his own writings he would not only quote from well-known Marxist works but also from the relatively obscure works.[26] During this period...

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[Hip octogenarian]

Wrong.

Thread 'Mussolini and fascism are both left wing'

Nov 26, 2023

Mussolini was the father of fascism. Lets look at some facts about Mussolini:

Mussolini was an Atheist:

He believed that science had proven there was no god, and that the historical Jesus was ignorant and mad. He considered religion a disease of the psyche, and accused Christianity of promoting resignation and cowardice.

Mussolini was a student of Marx:

Mussolini was so familiar with Marxist literature that in his own writings he would not only quote from well-known Marxist works but also from the relatively obscure works.[26] During this period...

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Maybe this chart will help. Some people need visual aids. As you see, communism and fascism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

 

[aociswundumho]

Maybe this chart will help. Some people need visual aids. As you see, communism and fascism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Well, I'm an ancap, therefore I should have a lot in common with Hitler and Mussolini, since we are all next to each other on the far right.

Why don't you list some political beliefs that a person like me would share in common with Hitler or Mussolini.

 

[RF667799]

Well, I'm an ancap, therefore I should have a lot in common with Hitler and Mussolini, since we are all next to each other on the far right.

Why don't you list some political beliefs that a person like me would share in common with Hitler or Mussolini.

Open borders. You guys all believe in the free movement of goods and people across borders.

 

[Econ4every1]

The point is authoritarians don't allow votes on removing themselves from office.

Me thinks someone is confusing the term dictator with authoritarian. You don't have to have total control of the government, and more specifically voting, to be authoritarian.

 

[NWRatCon]

Well, I'm an ancap, therefore I should have a lot in common with Hitler and Mussolini, since we are all next to each other on the far right.

Why don't you list some political beliefs that a person like me would share in common with Hitler or Mussolini.

All of them? Your handle kinda gives it away.

 

[aociswundumho]

All of them? Your handle kinda gives it away.

Here are some of Hitler's political views:

1) Racial supremacy. Hitler believed in the superiority of the so-called "Aryan" race. Argued that history is a struggle between races, not classes.

2) Antisemitism. Wanted to remove Jews from german society and kill them all.

3) Nationalism. The interests of the reich come first.

4) Militarism. Hitler luved war and the military, and strongly believed in conscription.

5) Collectivism. Hitler was a rabid collectivist, who hated individualism.

6) Totalitarianism. Hitler wanted a one-party state led by a fuhrer with absolute authority. Believed the state should control all aspects of life: media, education, economy, culture - everything.

7) State-controlled economy. No property rights. Do what you're told or end up in a concentration camp.

8) Eugenics. Hitler supported forced sterilization for the mentally ill and disabled. He sought to engineer a racially pure population.



Gee, he sounds just like Milton Friedman Or even better - Ayn Rand


But seriously, you know who he does sound like? Early American progressives

 

[jaypatriot]

Whatever Stalin and Hitler were, they were on opposite sides in WWII. Fascism is a far right concept. Socialism is far left. Please consult a dictionary and learn.

Certainly after June 1941, they became sworn deadly enemies.
Both countries benefited from the German-Soviet pact of 1939 until Hitler felt he was ready to invade Russian
And I still love that Communist Russia killed more German soldiers that we could ever have hoped to killed. Saved hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.

 

[Tangmo]

I don't think that is a very good argument. People can find parallels to anything in history, literature, or mythology they want. For example, the far right constantly compared Clinton and Obama to the Nazis, communist regimes and so on, but their comparisons were utterly absurd even though they believed they were valid.

I think Trump has authoritarian tendencies, but I don't the argument you are making is a good argument for that.

Well then try this one on for size.

In the 21st century USA and with the factor of Trump and His Cult the definitive reference is 20th century mainly European fascism. And South American fascism to include fascism historically in Central America where in each geographic instance there is the congressional system and three branches of government framework we in the USA initiated. Europe and the Americas are the two major regions the long train of immigrants have historically come from so fascisms in these two regions are our reference point.

Your post is absurd, to deride history per se when the history being examined is fascism in Europe and the Americas south of the US border. Indeed your post is inattentive or dismissive of the fact of an identifiable and definitive 21st Century Uniquely American Fascism led by Trump and his Fascist Cult.

We are living already in the post Constitutional USA. The congress is neutered and the Supreme MAGA Court has gone over to the Dark Side. The presidency has become what Trump says it is and whatever Trumph does with it. The Rule of Law is on its deathbed. America is well into the preliminary stages of forming an Orban fascist state. Your unfortunately smug post is oblivious to the whole of this.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Well, I'm an ancap, therefore I should have a lot in common with Hitler and Mussolini, since we are all next to each other on the far right.

Why don't you list some political beliefs that a person like me would share in common with Hitler or Mussolini.

I am on record in this Forum as agreeing with your viewpoint. Communism, Fascism, and Nazism are all forms of extreme Leftist Socialism. The primary difference is supposed to be in the assertion that Fascism and Nazism are "strong man" forms with some "free enterprise," while Communism is a society supposedly run by a committee of the best and brightest. Yet in almost every socialist society above the level of small communes, the Communist governments have always been led by a "strong man" too (Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.).

In no case, whether extreme Left or Right, is there even a shadow of individual freedom.

 

[Econ4every1]

Maybe this chart will help

I modified slightly.....





What I like about the circle is that it better shows the relationship, especially between the extreme left and extreme right, who tend to think of themselves as opposites, when in fact they are much closer than either would want to admit.

That said, it's important to understand that this chart is my opinion about where these groups tend to find themselves in the real world rather than how each group might see themselves in theory.

 

[Tangmo]

The fallacy is "Reductio ad Hitlerum" because Hitler is the most often used object for brainless "You know who else made the trains run on time..." arguments. But whether you use Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Jong Il, etc. it's the same fallacy.

I noticed Trumph is absent from your post.

Not saying anything about Trump.

Posting with a ten foot pole I see.

 

[Tangmo]

I am on record in this Forum as agreeing with your viewpoint. Communism, Fascism, and Nazism are all forms of extreme Leftist Socialism. The primary difference is supposed to be in the assertion that Fascism and Nazism are "strong man" forms with some "free enterprise," while Communism is a society supposedly run by a committee of the best and brightest. Yet in almost every socialist society above the level of small communes, the Communist governments have always been led by a "strong man" too (Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.).

In no case, whether extreme Left or Right, is there even a shadow of individual freedom.

Trumph & Cult is about the Dictatorship of the Magaletariat.

The "best and the brightest" running the show for the blindly subservient moron masses.

I see it every day. It's no mystery and that's for sure.

 

[Tangmo]

You leftists did not complain one bit when other leftists took away your civil rights because it was leftists doing so.

Trump doesn't exist in MAGA posts any more.

Trumph is OTT and everyone knows it.

Indefensible. Focus instead on "you leftists."