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trouble13 said:
Biden illegally removed and stored classified documents. That is a crime. Charge him.
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Once again, since you seem rather foggy with your thinking this morning, I have already said to charge him, if it is found he is prosecutable. I have no issue with that.

But, as I also said previously, the document investigation regarding Biden is still undergoing the process, when it comes to a close then a decision will be made as to whether he is prosecutable.

Again, the two circumstances of Trump's documents actions and Biden's are NIGHT and DAY in comparison and that is obviously being willfully ignored by you.
 
Callen said:
IF it is proven he removed them
and
IF it is proven he did it with knowledge and intent as is required by the statute
and
IF the documents are proven to involve national security

Then he should faces charges when he leaves office.

Note the AND is not an OR
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They don't have knowledge and intent in Trumps case yet they indicted him. Biden should be treated the same.
 
LouC said:
That is not what I said.

What use answering a person, you, who wishes to pretend ignorance?
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BS you know your answer ain't hold up to scrutiny so instead you avoid it by providing non-answers.
 
trouble13 said:
They don't have knowledge and intent in Trumps case yet they indicted him.
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That information hasn't all been fully revealed.
They undoubtedly had enough information for an indictment.
trouble13 said:
Biden should be treated the same.
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He is being treated the same, his investigation is ongoing.
 
trouble13 said:
They don't have knowledge and intent in Trumps case yet they indicted him. Biden should be treated the same.
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That's because he wasn't charged under the classified documents statute . He was charged under the espionage act for willful retention of national defense documents. There is no information in the public domain that Bide's documents involved national defense AND he returned them willfully.
 
Callen said:
That's because he wasn't charged under the classified documents statute . He was charged under the espionage act for willful retention of national defense documents. There is no information in the public domain that Bide's documents involved national defense AND he returned them willfully.
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Smith has also indicated more indictments could possibly be forth coming and as all sane, rational, and intelligent folks know prosecutors do not always reveal everything they know about a case until the discovery phase is engaged, plus the investigation is still ongoing.
 
trouble13 said:
What's Biden's excuse?
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He gave the documents back. He wasn’t even asked. His people found them. They called the authorities. They didn’t need to be asked.

It was, “Hey, we found we have this stuff we shouldn’t have. Where do we send it?’ So he had a different result.

What’s so hard to figure out about that?
 
ModernDiogenes said:
What gets me is that long before any of this was there to be considered otherwise decent people had it totally list upon them the reams upon reams of court documents, interrogatory, books, articles, radio and TV appearance, et al, that documents what a horrendously flawed man, of incredibly bad character, Donald Trump is.

How can anyone, with the amount of publicly available evidence to that there is, think this person is suitable for any leadership position, let alone leader of the free world?

If they didn’t know it, why? It’s out there readily to be seen. If they did know, why didn’t they care?

When did so many of us stop caring about character? Where did we go off the rails on that?
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Perfectly stated. You’ve asked the question of the decade. Those on the right who justify Trump by saying “I like his policies” have rejected character as even necessary, Thus we had a lying cheating wanna be mobster as POTUS. And they want to do it again.

It’s unbelievable.
 
BabaVoss said:
…so inept that he stored clothing in boxes along with classified documents…he is unfit for office.

…so ignorant of the law that he thinks the indictments are ‘nothing’…he is unfit for office.

…so dumb he thinks he has “every right” to keep the classified documents he tried to steal under the Presidential Records Act…he’s wrong, as the Presidential Records Act says that all presidential records belong to the federal government the moment the president leaves office. By having official records at Mar-a-Lago after his presidency, Trump was in clear contravention of that law. So, was you may have guessed, he is unfit for office.

…so incompetent that he thinks last year’s FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago home was unconstitutional, he is wrong. The Mar-a-Lago search was authorized by a judge who determined that prosecutors cleared the legal bar to conduct a search.

There are so many - so many!
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If his job performance sucked he would be unfit for office. The rest is just personal taste.

He did a good job so he was fit for office.
 
trouble13 said:
He admits he had documents he wasn't supposed to have.
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Admitting possession of classified documents is not an admission of guilt given there is no crime associated with having possessed documents without knowledge or intent.
 
trouble13 said:
He admits he had documents he wasn't supposed to have.
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How is that worse than someone doing the same - but with intent - and then lying about it to federal authorities?
 
trouble13 said:
They don't have knowledge and intent in Trumps case yet they indicted him. Biden should be treated the same.
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Ha ha. And the moon is made of green cheese. Did you read the indictment?
 
Jay59 said:
If his job performance sucked he would be unfit for office. The rest is just personal taste.

He did a good job so he was fit for office.
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Do you mean the good job he did standing up for Law Enforcement? Or the good job he did supporting the Constitution?
 
Jay59 said:
If his job performance sucked he would be unfit for office.
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Most Americans think his performance was quite poor, and frequently made our nation a laughing stock.

Jay59 said:
The rest is just personal taste.
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Personal taste? What about honestly, integrity, morals, etc.?

Jay59 said:
He did a good job so he was fit for office.
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Did he?
He was impeached - twice.
He has multiple criminal charges against him, with more coming.
He abused his office by attempting to leverage its power to get a foreign nation to cast aspersions about his opponent.
He tells lies constantly.
He tried - hard - to cheat his way into staying in power.
His trade war of choice with China was a complete failure.
If you rush to defend all of this as a witch hunt, you know exactly what you are doing,
Is character important to you at all in a President?

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trouble13 said:
He removed classified documents from a SCIF and illegally stored them in unsecured locations. In some cases this has gone on for decades. Shouldn't he face charges for mishandling sensitive documents and jeopardizing the security of the nation?
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Thought Trump MAGA supporters have said that a sitting President should not be charged except for a few exceptions. Biden is President. Guess they will have to wait till his term ends :giggle:

That brings up the question of why didn't the Trump FBI / DOJ charge Biden when Trump was President? Could it be they determined it was not worth the effort to bring a case before the courts. Of course, we all know Trump with his lawyers have never brought bad cases before the courts. Lots of theories, just no evidence.:ROFLMAO:
 
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