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if this war does not end, it will come to Europe as well

Rumpel said:
europe is not attacked by armies from the middle east, but from terrorist groops ….

remember France and Belgium and Spain
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Maybe, seeing how Hamas claims to represent Palestinians, they'll remember the good ole times when the Grand Mufti was wined and dined in Nazi Berlin, and give Germany a pass.

After all they were somewhat allied at the time in the quest to exterinate the Jews.
 
Chagos said:
Hamas is of the same fanatical Islamist vein as ISIS and has already called for violence thruout the whole world.
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Can I have a citation for this? From Hamas, I mean.
 
samiam5211 said:
because that is what the Israeli ambassador is talking about. He wants us to imagine attacks that will come if we don't support Israel.

The reality is that the main driver for attacks against us is our support for Israel.
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Oh how noble of them to "protect the world".
 
Apocalypse said:
'Zionists' don't hate Islam and Muslim too. Every human being opposes Radical Islam.
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Bibi doesn't, he said Hamas should be supported.

The Israeli state aided Hamas in the early days because they wanted them to act as a counterweight to the secular PLO.

The US were happy to back Islamic jihadists in Afghanistan in the 1980s

The Western leaderships were against Arab socialism that swept through the region in the post WW2 period.

The West aided the anti Assad forces in Syria which contained radical Islamist extremists

So it becomes quite obvious that Israel and the West are okay to support radical Islam when it suits them and denounce it when it doesn't.

People should be aware of this imo
 
Rumpel said:
So an Israeli ambassador said


what do you think about it?
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It has been in Europe for decades. And it will be in Europe for decades more.
 
samiam5211 said:
Our unrelenting support for Israel is the reason we are targets for attacks.
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So we should turn a blind eye and let Jews be massacred, have their land stolen, and let a democracy fall to a dictator?
 
lwf said:
So we should turn a blind eye and let Jews be massacred, have their land stolen, and let a democracy fall to a dictator?
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lol, do you think Hamas was about to take over Israel?

Most of the Hamas militants who participated in the attack were killed. Hamas was decimated. They weren't about to launch a massive ground invasion of Israel.
 
samiam5211 said:
lol, do you think Hamas was about to take over Israel?

Most of the Hamas militants who participated in the attack were killed. Hamas was decimated. They weren't about to launch a massive ground invasion of Israel.
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They literally launched a ground invasion of Israel and massacred 1400 Jewish civilians. Their admitted goal is, with the help of allies, to seize all of Israel for Islam and drive out the Jews or slaughter them.
 
lwf said:
They literally launched a ground invasion of Israel and massacred 1400 Jewish civilians. Their admitted goal is, with the help of allies, to seize all of Israel for Islam and drive out the Jews or slaughter them.
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ok
 
samiam5211 said:
ok
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Educate yourself:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.

Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be.

The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)

"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.

[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.

The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.


https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/the-middle-east/Pages/The Hamas-Covenant.aspx#
 
lwf said:
Educate yourself:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.

Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be.

The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)

"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.
[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.
The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.


https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/the-middle-east/Pages/The Hamas-Covenant.aspx#
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I'm sorry that you think this is new information to me.
 
samiam5211 said:
I'm sorry that you think this is new information to me.
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I would hope you can understand my presumption of your ignorance on the matter, given that you seem to be supporting an anti-Semitic terrorist organization.
 
lwf said:
I would hope you can understand my presumption of your ignorance on the matter, given that you seem to be supporting an anti-Semitic terrorist organization.
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Could you point out what I said that supported Hamas?

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

They are no more going to conquer Israel than Al Queda was going to conquer the US.
 
samiam5211 said:
Could you point out what I said that supported Hamas?

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

They are no more going to conquer Israel than Al Queda was going to conquer the US.
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Do you know why they weren’t going to take over Israel?
 
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