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Republican Sen. Brent Steele's proposal was prompted by an August protest in which members of an anti-gay church in Kansas showed up at the Martinsville funeral of Staff Sgt. Jeremy Doyle, who had died in Iraq.
Members of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka say they believe that the deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq are God's way of punishing the United States for taking too lenient an attitude about gay people. They have protested at the funerals of about 50 soldiers, including one in Portage, since June.
At Doyle's funeral they held up signs that said "God blew up the troops," dragged the U.S. flag on the ground and chanted that God was punishing America, according to news accounts.
"That's sick," Steele, of Bedford, said yesterday. "It was emotional battery. It was designed to hurt them."
LaMidRighter said:I was listening to talk radio over the week and more than one caller has been sharing experiences similar to each other. Here goes, apparently protestors, not content with the response they have been getting from their earlier efforts are now using soldier funerals for their podium, it seems that they are standing outside of the funeral homes(private property usually, not covered by free speech) and churches(private property-not covered by free speech) and cemeteries(could go either way) and chanting their usual drug induced, brain-dead slogans right in front of those grieving families who just lost a loved one for the cause.
Boy, talk about humanity and compassion:roll: And if that would have been my friend or family member I do believe I would have hurt at least one of those creeps.
Liberals, if you care to answer this one civilly and honestly, is this something you condone, encourage, or otherwise support, and if so, how can you justify this behavior and still say you support the troops. I welcome your opinions.
Disclaimer - this is a third hand account and I haven't seen any writings on it, so it could be that it isn't happening, but either way I wouldn't be surprised.
Binary_Digit said:These idiots need to quit reading NavyPride's signature - you CAN support the troops without supporting the mission! Protest the MISSION, not the guys in harm's way who have no choice in the matter. As if grieving parents are capable of bringing our troops home in the first place...these people need a clue smacked into them.
You know the military doesn't dictate foreign policy right? The military is a tool, and a tool is only as good as the "tool" who uses it.Trajan Octavian Titus said:You know it's a volunteer army right?
To be fair, an extremist is and extremist is an extremist. I really don't care which side of the aisle did this it is still very wrong and those families and deceased soldiers memories deserve the respect they earned by their sacrifice. I assume it is a leftist group however because that fits right into the peace movement's M.O.scottyz said:Are you sure it's not Phelps and his fellow religious nuts? What you describe sound a lot like what they do. Sorry to tell they have nothing to do with liberals.
LaMidRighter said:You assume, but you have no source for this. Given that i've heard people on the right label Phelps group as leftist hippies when they really aren't i'm going to assume what you heard is the same misinformation.To be fair, an extremist is and extremist is an extremist. I really don't care which side of the aisle did this it is still very wrong and those families and deceased soldiers memories deserve the respect they earned by their sacrifice. I assume it is a leftist group however because that fits right into the peace movement's M.O.
Navy Pride said:That is disgusting, how low can the far left whackos go?
Two points...scottyz said:Are you sure it's not Phelps and his fellow religious nuts? What you describe sound a lot like what they do. Sorry to tell they have nothing to do with liberals.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051025/NEWS02/51025001
Navy Pride said:Just another stretch of the first amendment.........It happens all the time in this country...........That is the sad part............
Simon W. Moon said:Bcuz Phelps is pure and solid asshat. That's the short answer anyway.
cnredd said:They should have gave the deceased soldier a 21 gun salute aimed in a certain direction....
Fantasea said:It is sad that there are blind fools who wrap themselves in their own constitutional rights and freedoms while trampling on the rights and freedoms of others.
Fortunately, they are seen for what they are and are largely ignored.
Stinger said:15 people including children? This is just a bunch of anti-American wacko's getting headlines. I bet if they didn't get national attention they soon dry up and go away.
Did you not read his original post????cnredd said:Two points...
How does this strawman argument have anything to do with the original topic? Do you feel so defensive of the protestors that you need to deflect the negativity with some negativity of your own?
This topic has already been discussed on this forum...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=3325
I refer you to the responses of some of the Conservative members of this forum...
So you can see that you bring something to the table that is not only "old hat" to the forum, but one in which the Conservative members of the forum agreed that they are equally horrible to the original subject posted by LaMidRighter.
Read the last part of the original post...
Liberals, if you care to answer this one civilly and honestly, is this something you condone, encourage, or otherwise support, and if so, how can you justify this behavior and still say you support the troops. I welcome your opinions.
Your only answer is an article?....You didn't even attempt to answer his question!...Your only rebuttal is a redirect...
Sad...
Disclaimer - this is a third hand account and I haven't seen any writings on it, so it could be that it isn't happening, but either way I wouldn't be surprised.
A simple, "I don't know if this is true or not because you didn't provide legitimate sources, but if this IS true, he is what I think..."scottyz said:Did you not read his original post????
What did he bring new to this forum?? An accusation with no facts to back it up. How you are you suppose to validate a third hand account of something that may or may not have happened with an answer? You're denying his third hand account sounds a lot like what Phelps does in fact do?
Since it's a third hand account with no source I provided a link and a story to what that third hand account is probably referring to. Hard to discuss a vague third hand account of something. Since I know that people on the right try to attribute Phelps actions to anti-war leftists, it seems likely the same mistake or tactic is being repeated again. Is that a problem?cnredd said:A simple, "I don't know if this is true or not because you didn't provide legitimate sources, but if this IS true, he is what I think..."
But instead you come with, "If you think it's wrong, I'll just show you something ELSE that's wrong," AND it was something that the Conservatives have alrady said "It's wrong", so bringing it up again does absolutely nothing to answer the original question...
Navy Pride said:As in Vietnam there are some on the left in this country who do not want us to succeed in Iraq for political reasons even if it mean the death of our brave men and women there.....
They put their politcal bias and hate for this president baove everything else...
That is the sad part..........
"People on the right"...Nice phrase...scottyz said:Since it's a third hand account with no source I provided a link and a story to what that third hand account is probably referring to. Hard to discuss a vague third hand account of something. Since I know that people on the right try to attribute Phelps actions to anti-war leftists, it seems likely the same mistake or tactic is being repeated again. Is that a problem?
Neither you or the original poster of have answered the question of whether or not this is a real story or backed it up with any sort of evidence. I'm not denying Phelps is a moron, but I'm giving a plausible source of where this story might have originated. What is the problem with that?cnredd said:"People on the right"...Nice phrase...
I guess you missed all of those comments here from "People on the right" that thought that Phelps was a moron...Go through that whole thread...who, out of the "People on the right", had something nice to say about him and his actions...I'll give you a hint...NO ONE....
I guess you'll accept "mediamatter.com"(Ha!) over the opinions of the very forum members with whom you attempt to debate...:roll:
And you STILL haven't answered the original question...
Liberals, if you care to answer this one civilly and honestly, is this something you condone, encourage, or otherwise support, and if so, how can you justify this behavior and still say you support the troops. I welcome your opinions.
I don't see how you starting out an answer with, "If this is actually true, then etc, etc, etc..." is being prevented...
scottyz said:Neither you or the original poster of have answered the question of whether or not this is a real story or backed it up with any sort of evidence. I'm not denying Phelps is a moron, but I'm giving a plausible source of where this story might have originated. What is the problem with that?
The problem is that it took you to get to post #19 to make a statement that if Post #1 was referring to Phelps, then he is a moron...scottyz said:Neither you or the original poster of have answered the question of whether or not this is a real story or backed it up with any sort of evidence. I'm not denying Phelps is a moron, but I'm giving a plausible source of where this story might have originated. What is the problem with that?
cnredd said:The problem is that it took you to get to post #19 to make a statement that if Post #1 was referring to Phelps, then he is a moron...
You could've just as easily said that in Post #2 along with the article...The fact that Phelps "has nothing to do with Liberals", as you originally posted, has NOTHING to do with answering the question...
As shown through a previous thread, the "Right" has already objected, heavily I might add, to Phelps and his followers, much to the chagrin of your self-proclaiming partisan website, mediamatters.com...
You want to lose any semblance of credibility, I suggest you continue to use them as a source...:roll:
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