If there is an aggression and you stay neutral - are you really neutral then?

[Rumpel]

If there is an aggression and you stay neutral - are you really neutral then?

 

[PirateMk1]

If there is an aggression and you stay neutral - are you really neutral then?

So long as they dont aggress against you.

 

[coyote505]

In the words of someone who said it better than me: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

 

[Rumpel]

In the words of someone who said it better than me: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

a word of great wisdom!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

In the words of someone who said it better than me: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

Yeahhhhh. People say stuff.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Of course if you stay neutral then yes you are neutral.

Was that a trick question?

 

[jaypatriot]

If there is an aggression and you stay neutral - are you really neutral then?

I try to think of myself anticipating an attacking enemy and how I would react knowing I had to kill someone in order to defend my country.
It's a very heavy thought.
And I am very impressed with those Ukrainians who took their family west to the border; said goodbye to them and then headed back east to fight the Russians.
Like Spaniards fighting Franco back in the 30s.
Like the American jet pilots in "Independence Day".


Going all out to defend your country.

 

[Rumpel]

those Ukrainians who took their family west to the border; said goodbye to them and then headed back east to fight the Russians.
Like Spaniards fighting Franco back in the 30s.
Like the American jet pilots in "Independence Day".
Going all out to defend your country.

Long live Ukraine!

 

[Juin]

In the words of someone who said it better than me: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

But is that an argument for neutrality?

 

[Juin]

And I am very impressed with those Ukrainians who took their family west to the border; said goodbye to them and then headed back east to fight the Russians.<<

I won't trust them at all. And historically soldiers have fought harder when they new the only standing between their wives, sons, daughters, parents and certain death, destruction, disabilities on them. The folks who went and dropped off their loved ones are the least reliable. What incentive is there for them to fight to death? They have everything to live for now that their families are out of danger.

 

[Kreton]

To do nothing is to be complicit. A grown man beating a small child with his fist in the street. On lookers with their cell phones out doing nothing are assisting by allowing it happen when they could intervene. The idea that we should ignore people being abused since we are not directly being abused is weak, cowardly, and disgusting.

 

[jaypatriot]

I won't trust them at all. And historically soldiers have fought harder when they new the only standing between their wives, sons, daughters, parents and certain death, destruction, disabilities on them. The folks who went and dropped off their loved ones are the least reliable. What incentive is there for them to fight to death? They have everything to live for now that their families are out of danger.

Of course there are those like you described. But there are also patriots.
There are those who would rather die fighting than be under Putin's boot.
Would you have fought the Japanese had they invaded the West Coast in 1942? After your family was moved to safety? Or would you have run away?

 

[bomberfox]

Geopolitics is a very difficult mess to navigate. It is often not quite as simple as the op posits. Personal examples misses the scope of geopolitics. Its most often not that simple.

 

[coyote505]

Of course if you stay neutral then yes you are neutral.

Was that a trick question?

See post #11

 

[ALiberalModerate]

If there is an aggression and you stay neutral - are you really neutral then?

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." --George Orwell

 

[Rumpel]

I won't trust them at all. And historically soldiers have fought harder when they new the only standing between their wives, sons, daughters, parents and certain death, destruction, disabilities on them. The folks who went and dropped off their loved ones are the least reliable. What incentive is there for them to fight to death? They have everything to live for now ....

Have they?

 

[coyote505]

Of course if you stay neutral then yes you are neutral.

Was that a trick question?

Suggest you change your avatar to Teddy, the Hero of Chappaquiddick.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." --George Orwell

OK.

But now answer the question.

 

[ataraxia]

To do nothing is to be complicit. A grown man beating a small child with his fist in the street. On lookers with their cell phones out doing nothing are assisting by allowing it happen when they could intervene. The idea that we should ignore people being abused since we are not directly being abused is weak, cowardly, and disgusting.

Actually there is a name in psychology for this: the bystander effect.

What Psychology Says About Why Bystanders Sometimes Fail to Help

When a person stands by and fails to help another person in trouble, it is known as the bystander effect. Learn why it happens and explore examples.

www.verywellmind.com

I think this was first described after a murder in the 1970s on the streets of Manhattan: a man stabbed a woman, in broad daylight, on a crowded street. He stabbed her repeatedly like 30 times as she screamed and pled for help. Everyone just stood around and stared in disbelief while he finished the job.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

See post #11

Nobody mentioned watching a child being beaten in the street.

The question was about aggression and staying neutral, I took it to mean in reference to the Ukraine situation. In which the US is not "neutral" in any case, we are clearly on the side of Ukraine, we are just not directly involved militarily and it would be absolutely insane to get involved directly IMO.

President Biden is doing well on this issue, yes a nation that stays neutral is still neutral, the correct thing to do is support Ukraine with equipment and aid, and collaborate with all the other world leaders for a united front AGAINST Russia. Thanks goodness we have President Biden, Crooked donnietrump would have screwed the pooch on this the likes of which we aint NEVAH seen.

I remember Vice President Biden sitting there side by side with President Obama several years ago...while directing the Special Ops mission that lowered the K A - P O W on Osama binLaden heh heh heh heh.

President Biden has seen all this stuff before Coyote, he's no rookie. We're in good hands.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Suggest you change your avatar to Teddy, the Hero of Chappaquiddick.

Suggest you change your profile pic for one of your Reality TeeVee Messiah.

 

[Rumpel]

Actually there is a name in psychology for this: the bystander effect.

What Psychology Says About Why Bystanders Sometimes Fail to Help

When a person stands by and fails to help another person in trouble, it is known as the bystander effect. Learn why it happens and explore examples.

www.verywellmind.com

I think this was first described after a murder in the 1970s on the streets of Manhattan: a man stabbed a woman, in broad daylight, on a crowded street. He stabbed her repeatedly like 30 times as she screamed and pled for help. Everyone just stood around and stared in disbelief while he finished the job.

Bystanders think: "Somebody else will probably help. - So why should I help?"

 

[Rumpel]

To do nothing is to be complicit.

That is what I am saying.

 

[lwf]

I won't trust them at all. And historically soldiers have fought harder when they new the only standing between their wives, sons, daughters, parents and certain death, destruction, disabilities on them. The folks who went and dropped off their loved ones are the least reliable. What incentive is there for them to fight to death? They have everything to live for now that their families are out of danger.

So if you were attacked, you wouldn't move your family out of danger? You would put them in the line of fire in order to make you "fight harder?"

 

[Masterhawk]

Switzerland was not a fascist country during WWII