If the Vaccines Work, Why Aren't They Working?

[CaughtInThe]

Hmmm.... perhaps the solution isn't so very simple after all.

actually, if we simply want less people to die, we get everyone vaccinated.

easy peasy.

 

[Fletch]

actually, if we simply want less people to die, we get everyone vaccinated.

easy peasy.

And what if people who have had the virus have more resistance than those who have been vaccinated?

 

[EdwinWillers]

And what if people who have had the virus have more resistance than those who have been vaccinated?

That wouldn't be politically correct.

 

[EdwinWillers]

actually, if we simply want less people to die, we get everyone vaccinated.

easy peasy.

Whoooosh!

 

[CaughtInThe]

Whoooosh!

it's actually "Swoosh".


but, anyway, do you want less or more people to die of COVID?

 

[EdwinWillers]

it's actually "Swoosh".


but, anyway, do you want less or more people to die of COVID?

Actually, no - it's "whooosh." But we've already determined that.

Less. You?

 

[multivita-man]

If the Vaccines Work, Why Aren't They Working?


This is a good article for anyone willing to read it. He brings up some valid points.

They "work" in the sense that people who are *fully vaccinated are much less likely to end up in the hospital than those who aren't vaccinated at all.

*The definition of fully vaccinated is changing - from 2 shots to 3. COVID-19 is probably with us forever; it's a matter of how long we're dealing with it as a severe disease.

 

[OrphanSlug]

You disagree with the physician's article, can you elaborate?

Yes, I disagree with any “doctor” questioning vaccines.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Yes, I disagree with any “doctor” questioning vaccines.

LOL

 

[CaughtInThe]

Actually, no - it's "whooosh." But we've already determined that.

Less. You?

less.

i want more people vaccinated. you?

 

[Gaius46]

If the Vaccines Work, Why Aren't They Working?


This is a good article for anyone willing to read it. He brings up some valid points.

As I’ve stated a number of times infection does not equal sickness. Infection rates mattered until we got vaccines. Now they don’t. What matters is the number of people getting sick enough to require hospitalization or die.

Further in places with very high vaccination rates, like Vermont, you expect most cases to be among the vaccinated because well most people are vaccinated. Going further it is possible, even likely that many vaccinated people are changing their behavior because they have less to fear and thus increasing the probability of exposure.

Finally, as to places instituting lock downs those are political decisions which have many facets and aren’t necessarily based solely on medical/scientific considerations. Pointing to the as evidence that vaccinations aren’t working is highly suspect.

 

[Gaius46]

And what if people who have had the virus have more resistance than those who have been vaccinated?

There is, as of today, no evidence of that that I am aware of

 

[Lursa]

If the Vaccines Work, Why Aren't They Working?


This is a good article for anyone willing to read it. He brings up some valid points.

Like what? Can you articulate some points that you found particularly valid and speak to the title of the article, which implies the vaccines arent working?

 

[Schism]

Like what? Can you articulate some points that you found particularly valid and speak to the title of the article, which implies the vaccines arent working?

Not for you.

 

[Schism]

As I’ve stated a number of times infection does not equal sickness. Infection rates mattered until we got vaccines. Now they don’t. What matters is the number of people getting sick enough to require hospitalization or die.

Further in places with very high vaccination rates, like Vermont, you expect most cases to be among the vaccinated because well most people are vaccinated. Going further it is possible, even likely that many vaccinated people are changing their behavior because they have less to fear and thus increasing the probability of exposure.

Finally, as to places instituting lock downs those are political decisions which have many facets and aren’t necessarily based solely on medical/scientific considerations. Pointing to the as evidence that vaccinations aren’t working is highly suspect.

Do you have any statistics for how many people have become infected who have been vaccinated against other communicable diseases?

For example, polio, measles, mumps, diphtheria, hepatitis, typhoid, etc.

 

[Lursa]

Not for you.

Not for anyone. At least be honest.

Most people manage to support their OP premise with a summary and opinion. I think it may even be a forum rule.

 

[Schism]

Yes, I disagree with any “doctor” questioning vaccines.

Interesting. So you follow the science you agree with?

 

[Lursa]

And what if people who have had the virus have more resistance than those who have been vaccinated?

According to the Israeli study that the right esp. likes to use as a source...surviving covid AND vaccination are proven the strongest protection.

 

[Schism]

Not for anyone. At least be honest.

Most people manage to support their OP premise with a summary and opinion. I think it may even be a forum rule.

Not for you. Go cry to someone about it.

 

[Lursa]

Yes, I disagree with any “doctor” questioning vaccines.

Do you see him just probing and then bobbing and weaving? He's got nothing to discuss, he's just throwing out bait to see what he catches.

 

[lurchadams]

If the Vaccines Work, Why Aren't They Working?


This is a good article for anyone willing to read it. He brings up some valid points.

Just get the vaccine and quit ****ing around.

 

[Lursa]

Not for you. Go cry to someone about it.

Why would I cry? I'm not the one who looks uninformed and desperate for validation.

 

[Lursa]

So you didn't read the article? I'm not surprised.

Clearly you didnt.

 

[Schism]

Just get the vaccine and quit ****ing around.

I got mine back in May. So did the author of the article. That's not the point.

Read the article. It's a physician questioning the political aspects of science.

 

[Lursa]

Yes, I disagree with any “doctor” questioning vaccines.

LOL

Those small pox and polio vaccines really sucked for sure.