If the long threatened "civil war" breaks out, will you enlist?

[Lutherf]

Something tells me that if impeachment is voted for, there will be an element of “force” needed.

That depends. If legitimate crimes involving coordination with foreign powers to manipulate the votes of the people are proved then impeachment won’t be a problem. If, however, impeachment is based on immigration policy or not acting “presidential” then there will be problems.

 

[PleasantValley]

We actually have quite a few very hard boiled militia/survivalist/prepper/sovereign types on DP, so the purpose of the poll is to find out if any of them would respond to calls by, say perhaps, the Oath Keepers or the Bundy Clan, or some other affiliated groups.

I voted NO.

I am a survivalist but avoid militias, preppers, and secessionist like the plague.
As a survivalist, I believe in self-sufficiency in bad times.
Hurricanes, power outages, floods, zombies, ect.

I avoid those that start mixing politics into the discussion. They are normally a bit unhinged and never have two nickles to rub together.

I know as a "survivalist" some expect me to have a two foot long beard, live in a cave, and eat rats and squirrels for dinner, but that is what happens when you use a biased broad brush.
Only the whack jobs get the press. The rest of us are under the radar and live normal lives, have jobs, pay our taxes, and just want to be left alone.

You have to log onto the internet to find the whack jobs.....and you will. Tons of em.

 

[Rexedgar]

I voted NO.

I am a survivalist but avoid militias, preppers, and secessionist like the plague.
As a survivalist, I believe in self-sufficiency in bad times.
Hurricanes, power outages, floods, zombies, ect.

I avoid those that start mixing politics into the discussion. They are normally a bit unhinged and never have two nickles to rub together.

I know as a "survivalist" some expect me to have a two foot long beard, live in a cave, and eat rats and squirrels for dinner, but that is what happens when you use a biased broad brush.
Only the whack jobs get the press. The rest of us are under the radar and live normal lives, have jobs, pay our taxes, and just want to be left alone.

You have to log onto the internet to find the whack jobs.....and you will.

Do you live in a gated community and not venture out much?


:mrgreen:

 

[Rexedgar]

That depends. If legitimate crimes involving coordination with foreign powers to manipulate the votes of the people are proved then impeachment won’t be a problem. If, however, impeachment is based on immigration policy or not acting “presidential” then there will be problems.

You are reading too much into my opinion. I’m opining that if impeachment is approved in the Senate, via the Constitutional guidelines, the President won’t leave willingly.

 

[Mach]

Killing Americans will solve America's woes? Don't think so.
I wouldn't be able to say either way unless I could see the context and who the players were, etc. Since I have a family and think it would most likely be stupid mother****ers who wanted to start something like that, I'd likely just leave the U.S.

 

[American]

Thanks, and i noted that you Failed to answer the question I asked you.

I don't know, should I?

 

[Risky Thicket]

I don't think anyone on this board is quite dumb enough to admit being willing to join racist paramilitary thugs......

I could name a few likely to have joined racist paramilitary thugs.

 

[TurtleDude]

No. Your "point" was that Hitler was elected. You know how I know that?
Because it's what you wrote.

stop lying. the point was he came about through an election-not revolution. What is sad is you know that but you cannot admit it

 

[RickJames3000]

Hitler was elected. He didn't gain power through a coup or revolution

Go ahead and double down on stupid if you like. That's your usual M.O. anyway.
The posts are here in this very thread for anyone to review.

 

[TurtleDude]

Go ahead and double down on stupid if you like. That's your usual M.O. anyway.
The posts are here in this very thread for anyone to review.

yes, and every honest person understood the point. You're fixating on it because your posts are constantly thrashed by thinking people and you are pretending you won a "victory" when in reality you are obsessing over irrelevance

 

[RickJames3000]

yes, and every honest person understood the point. You're fixating on it because your posts are constantly thrashed by thinking people and you are pretending you won a "victory" when in reality you are obsessing over irrelevance

Well, I certainly do consider your views irrelevant...
But that doesn't mean I'm above pointing it out when you make a fool out of yourself, as you have repeatedly learned.

Jeez... whatever happened to stoicism. You should learn to take the loss like a man would.

 

[Casper]

I don't know, should I?

I was looking for an Opinion, oh well...

 

[TurtleDude]

Well, I certainly do consider your views irrelevant...
But that doesn't mean I'm above pointing it out when you make a fool out of yourself, as you have repeatedly learned.

Jeez... whatever happened to stoicism. You should learn to take the loss like a man would.

you should stop fixating on idiocy and get back to trying to actually resurrect your posts standing here.

 

[RickJames3000]

you should stop fixating on idiocy and get back to trying to actually resurrect your posts standing here.

LMAO!

I'd have thought you'd have figured out by now that I am not seeking validation... especially from the likes of you.

 

[late]

There will be no war. The "left" is micropscopic, and the government has a long history of limited tolerance for violent fanatics.

The only path to serious is conflict is if Trump finishes what he is trying to do: become a dictator.

At that point we will start down a road that will turn the country into a smoldering funeral pyre.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The right huh?

Your lefty associates in D.C. along with hundreds of other liberal movements are doing everything possible to remove a legally elected president.....including violence.

I don't think most liberals would approve of violence.
Are you saying that (A) the Left is assembling militias or a paramilitary army of some kind, or are you just saying that (B) sometimes some people on the Left get agitated and violence breaks out?
Which is it? A or B?

As for the rest, (everything possible) you got a problem with that, do you?
Because, excluding wrongheaded violent actions, all the rest of "everything possible" boils down to whatever LEGAL MEANS exist.
And you have a problem with an opposition trying every legal means to remove someone?
Are you saying that such efforts should be outlawed, or that no one has the right to make such an effort?

Hmmmm...maybe it would be enlightening to take a look back a few years.
My "lefty associates"...yeah right, I can just see the "leftist armies" out there right now, sharpening their hammers and sickles, hoisting their Marx and Lenin flags on Connecticut Avenue, heading for The Pentagon.

Ooooo, what's that sound in the distance, amid all that leftist GUNFIRE?
I think...I think it might be...oh my GOD, it IS!!!
It's the Libtard National Anthem!



QUICK, CALL THE OATH KEEPERS and CALL OUT the MILITIA!!!!

THE COMMIES ARE INVADING!!!!!!!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I don't hate people on the left enough to want to kill them. And anyone spoiling for another civil war is a ****ing douche who needs to get their head checked. The last American Civil War was a bloodbath, the worst war we've even fought, and appears to have been a colossal waste of time besides.

I wholeheartedly agree.
A lot of us better get our heads checked and dial the whole thing back a few notches.
There's nothing wrong with liberals and conservatives fighting like cats and dogs on the issues. That is as American as it gets.

The problem we've been having is that too many on both sides forgot that, in the end, you count up the wins and losses and both sides are supposed to reason together and hammer out something that is best for the country as a whole, and that means we both need to be willing to do a little give and take together. Country over party is a mantra that a lot of people need to learn or re-learn...it's much needed right now.
The TRIBALISM isn't working, it never will, it's just going to drag us down further.

And that also means that both sides need to be willing to admit when one of their "bright ideas" didn't work as planned, AT ALL.
We can come back from some errors in judgment but right now there are a baker's dozen really horrible missteps which need correction, and all we need to do is be willing to engage in some give and take to correct them. That means I need to respect some of YOUR views and YOU need to respect a few of MINE in return, all of us need to be willing to try that.
Both sides need to admit that we all love this country, or anyway, most of us do, on both sides.

I posted the poll strictly as a thought experiment, not as a poke in the eye to anybody.
SEVEN people said "NO", which was a pleasant surprise.
NINE people said "OTHER" and a few of them explained, which was educational.
I expected an entirely different result going in.
So I did LEARN something, although the poll isn't over yet, but I still expect to learn more anyway.

 

[Felis Leo]

For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?

Whatever the circumstances, I have no interest in killing my fellow Americans over political disagreements, except those who directly come onto my property to harm me or my family. Stay off my land, leave us alone, and we will get along just fine.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

This thread is based on a false premise. If you want it to be taken seriously, demonstrate that 1) this is true, and 2) such talk only comes from "the Right."

(1) It's not like this is a secret, a simple news search confirms it pretty easily. And even if you didn't do a news search, if you listen to the news or read it often enough, it surfaces, at least twice a month or more, and NO, NOT JUST on "the librul media".
(Unless of course you happen to be one of those who thinks everything except Fox IS "the librul media" - can't help you in that case)

(2) Yes of course there's some sporadic outbursts from the Left and you and I both know that most of that comes from the impotent extreme wing of college campus screeching social justice warriors. And IMPOTENT is the proper word to use for them.
They're so whiny and entitled that a well placed M80 would scatter the lot of them and their social media feeds would read like the Bombing of Dresden for three weeks afterwards.
Does that equate with heavily armed militia groups? You tell me.

 

[MrWonka]

I don't know why you characterize revolution/civil war as singularly right wing

Something like 60% of men in this country voted for Donald Trump. The left is supported almost exclusively by women, intellectuals, and urbanites. The idea that they would ever start a war to overthrow a right-wing tyrant is absurd.

The closest we've come in modern US history is left-wing groups

Really? How about not so modern US history because it was racist white right-wing southerners who started the last civil war, and they are the only idiots still waving Confederate flags. If civil war breaks out in the United States it will drive by Christian Religious zealots, gun nuts, and racist white southerners hoping to succeed from the Union...Again.

I would not defend a government that had abandoned the Constitution.

This requires you to understand the constitution and how it works which seems highly unlikely based on your posts so far.

yet there is a "resistance" movement out there, some of whom advocate a violent overthrow of his administration

No, actually there are zero people advocating a violent overthrowing of his administration and certainly none on the Left. The left wants him legally impeached because there is already enough evidence to conclude that he is guilty of many high crimes and misdemeanors which should disqualify him from the office.

Sarah Silverman

You found one example of something a drunk female comedian said online, and you think that counterbalances the hundreds of right-wing militia groups all around the country armed to the teeth and ready to spring into action the second they think the South has a chance to rise again?

“The fourth possibility is one that until recently I would have said was unthinkable in the United States of America: a military coup, or at least a refusal by military leaders to obey certain orders.” Rosa Brooks, law professor, and former Obama official

This wouldn't be violent overthrowing this would be military leaders which includes General Mattis realizing that Donald Trump is so mentally incompetent he is a danger to the United States of America and refusing to carry out is orders.

This wouldn't be a left-wing coup by left-wing crazies. It would be a coup by right-wing crazies who were finally shaken out of their cognitive dissonance, by indisputable evidence that their own right-wing President is so mentally unstable that he cannot be allowed to continue power.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I am pretty sure as a senior IT guy I could get a job in Canada, so my family would be long gone before such a war ever broke out.

I sometimes wish I wasn't old, decrepit and semi-retired, because I/we could do the same thing.
The only way old disabled folks and their wobbly husbands can get into a country like Canada is if they're multi-millionaires who are willing to drop a million or so into an investment scheme that Canada regards as a venture capital investment in their country.
I've looked...Canada does not welcome ordinary middle class retirees, especially if one of them is disabled.

 

[antiquity]

"long threatened "civil war".... I guess I missed the memo....

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

"The right" has not been threatening civil war. However, if there was a side that declared independence and returned to a system of small govt and individual freedom, sure, I would join it and defend it if attacked by the tyrants. There is no need for a war though. We can have a peaceful separation.

So...like "The Confederated Republic of Florida"? (or just "R.o.FLA"?)
So, you guys aren't interested in putting it to any kind of a vote, you'd just declare independence and anyone in Floridia who doesn't like it better pack their **** and get out?

 

[Harshaw]

(1) It's not like this is a secret, a simple news search confirms it pretty easily. And even if you didn't do a news search, if you listen to the news or read it often enough, it surfaces, at least twice a month or more, and NO, NOT JUST on "the librul media".
(Unless of course you happen to be one of those who thinks everything except Fox IS "the librul media" - can't help you in that case)

Then it shouldn't be a problem giving multiple examples of "the Right" threatening "civil war" if the "deal of the week" doesn't go through.

So do it.

(2) Yes of course there's some sporadic outbursts from the Left and you and I both know that most of that comes from the impotent extreme wing of college campus screeching social justice warriors. And IMPOTENT is the proper word to use for them.
They're so whiny and entitled that a well placed M80 would scatter the lot of them and their social media feeds would read like the Bombing of Dresden for three weeks afterwards.
Does that equate with heavily armed militia groups? You tell me.

And you think it's any different from the Right? Show it to be so.

#Resist

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Got a link to some of these "warnings"?

Just news searches but you make a good point, perhaps it is time a database gets put together so every time another group posts one of these so called "warnings" it goes into a database with a timeline, so that it can be pointed to quickly.
I'm no different than anyone else, I read the news, sometimes watch the news, sometimes hear the news...and when I hear a story like that it tends to get my attention, that's all.
Prior to the Oklahoma City bombing by McVeigh this kind of thing was almost unheard of.
But it's been steadily on the rise ever since.

Have you ever done a news search for domestic terror attacks?