If people are free to be nude in public....... (1 Viewer)

[Ancient Herald]

Normal sex (as we know it) would most likely become passe'. All sorts of perversions are likely to become common fare.

Slippery slope fellatio.
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[joG]

Normal sex (as we know it) would most likely become passe'. All sorts of perversions are likely to become common fare.

Sounds like down town.

 

[joG]

Slippery slope fellatio.
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You've been there, may I presume?

 

[tosca1]

Slippery slope fellatio.
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Sounds like down town.

I think, to be nude - to shed off clothings - has a kind of "symbolism" to it (lack of better word). All inhibitions go with it, imho.

 

[tosca1]

Slippery slope fellatio.
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Fellatio is considered common now,right?

Speaking of slippery slopes......if they claim that nudity is just natural - if that's the basis why nudists want it allowed - then the same can be said for sex. I suppose they will demand that sex must be allowed freely in all media. Or even in public.

 

[Riveroaks]

Fellatio is considered common now,right?

It and cunnilingus are of about equal status.

If you are GLBT there is little choice. Then it's protected by the 14th Amendment.

Otherwise it's just called foreplay.

Are you beginning to see what public nudity implies Tosca my dear friend ???

I would not mind viewing your T&A and cooch by the pool or sauna.

But it would simply be and unwanted distraction at work or on the street.

Could even cause traffic accidents, don't you see ???

 

[tosca1]

It and cunnilingus are of about equal status.

If you are GLBT there is little choice. Then it's protected by the 14th Amendment.

Otherwise it's just called foreplay.

Are you beginning to see what public nudity implies Tosca my dear friend ???

I would not mind viewing your T&A and cooch by the pool or sauna.

But it would simply be and unwanted distraction at work or on the street.

Could even cause traffic accidents, don't you see ???

You're speaking in codes, my friend. I don't really get what you're saying.

Anyway, the mention of the 4th ammendment says that you're not on the same page. Check out the OP again.

 

[Riveroaks]

You're speaking in codes, my friend. I don't really get what you're saying.

Anyway, the mention of the 4th ammendment says that you're not on the same page. Check out the OP again.

It's called wit and irony.

It was covered in 9th Grade English.

If you want to show me your T&A and cooch, wait until after work at the bar please.

Wear a nice long skirt and modest blouse in the meantime.

No cleavage until after hours.

It's like alcohol -- there is a time and a place.

 

[tosca1]

Animals are in their natural state. In fact we feel sorry for the poor dog that gets dressed up in clothings.

I suppose, we're being taken downright literally to the levels of animals, being animals that we are.

Talk about breakdown of civilization.

 

[joG]

I think, to be nude - to shed off clothings - has a kind of "symbolism" to it (lack of better word). All inhibitions go with it, imho.

I knew it must be fun.

 

[Chagos]

Fellatio is considered common now,right?

Speaking of slippery slopes......if they claim that nudity is just natural - if that's the basis why nudists want it allowed - then the same can be said for sex. I suppose they will demand that sex must be allowed freely in all media. Or even in public.

if you don't understand the concept of "slippery slope", maybe look up "camel's nose fallacy".

 

[tosca1]

if you don't understand the concept of "slippery slope", maybe look up "camel's nose fallacy".

You look it up.

 

[Risky Thicket]

:roll:

Anyway.....I've probably been to more seedy places, and seen more than you did.

Then you must have seen that stripper at the Cabarrus (NC) County Fair. They'd back a flat bed truck into an old army wall tent and use that as the stage. Everybody paid good money to sit in folding chairs. Everybody got liquored up drinking from pint bottles carried in their back pockets. Sitting there waiting you knew you were going to see acts of ungodly nakedness and at least two good fist fights. Well worth the time and money. That was the first time I had ever seen a woman pick up a folded five dollar bill off the "stage" without using her hands.

I was there with my friends. We had heard that show would a life changing event. At that age for me it was. Rowdy, raw boned drunks, full nudity and sexual gymnastics mixed with cigarette smoke and the unmistakable smell of an oiled army tent. I knew right then being a wild eyed Southern man was just about the best thing on earth. I spend 10 years or so living the life, every chance I got. No regrets.

So, what were you doing in all those seedy places?

I'd seen the ugly side of humanity, and it made me cry as I watched. It wasn't for the public. It's exclusively for members only (and their guests).
That's ages ago.

Tell us about it.

Have you ever hanged out with prostitutes? Listened to their experience? I did.

The night the astronauts first walked on the moon I was in an off limits village laying on a poncho liner with two Vietnamese prostitutes and a gaggle of little kids from the village. We were drinking black marketed beer, smoking and joking. I wrestled with the kids and laughed with the whores. We talked about the moon and the stars and they told me a story about how the sky was formed during a huge ancient battle of the heavens. Just me and whores and the kids. I'd made the run by myself past lookout posts, crawled through holes in the concertina wire, hooked up with a K-9 handler humping his post (I'd told him before guard mount that I'd be sneaking through) and on into the ville. It was far from my first time.

With the exception of ROK 105's pounding the face off a mountain in the dark distance it was a peaceful night. I was as far away from the war as I could be. I didn't want it to end. I think the girls and the kids had a lot of fun that night too. I hope they remember it as I do.

It was in my university days - I was trying to get and help prostitutes (two sisters), out of the business.

I have to say that during university and later in grad school I wasn't involved in much drunk and debauch. That would come again later after my starter marriage ended.

I remember a lot of women in various states of dress. For the most part I haven't found a naked or semi-naked woman any less a decent human being than a clothed woman. Being naked or clothed isn't always about sex....well, unless she's redheaded.

 

[Chagos]

You look it up.

Don't have to seeing how it's not me so ignorant of it.

 

[maquiscat]

Normal sex (as we know it) would most likely become passe'. All sorts of perversions are likely to become common fare.

We typically go around the house naked, AND we are in the BDSM lifestyle. "normal" sex happens more often in our house than your so called perversions. You're projecting your own biases again.

 

[Andalublue]

We typically go around the house naked, AND we are in the BDSM lifestyle. "normal" sex happens more often in our house than your so called perversions. You're projecting your own biases again.

TBH, I wouldn't really like to speculate on what "Normal sex (as we know it)" might mean, coming from Tosca.

Did you know, in Cambodia the Missionary position is known as the Prostitute position, because husband-wife intercourse generally occurs in the doggy style?

 

[maquiscat]

TBH, I wouldn't really like to speculate on what "Normal sex (as we know it)" might mean, coming from Tosca.

Did you know, in Cambodia the Missionary position is known as the Prostitute position, because husband-wife intercourse generally occurs in the doggy style?

That's how Missionary position got its name, from how the missionaries were doing it. It was novel for the natives.

 

[Casper]

This was inspired by the conversation I've had with another poster at another thread. She'd hoped of a time when we've desexualized the breasts and the buttocks, and that women can freely expose themselves in public. I suppose, if ever......that would also mean men, everyone, will be free to come and go as the way they were when they were born.


Supposing that time is here now, that nudity in public is acceptable.......what do you think will happen? What's the likely scenario?



I think, it wouldn't take long............and people will prefer to be dressed. Nudity wouldn't take off as others had envisioned it will.
The first year or two - as a novelty - maybe, it will be nudists galore. But it'll be just a fad. It will fizzle out.


This is a fun thread. Your imagination is the limit as to what could possibly happen if we're all free to be nude in public.

Be Careful What You Wish For, think about it.

 

[tosca1]

Then you must have seen that stripper at the Cabarrus (NC) County Fair. They'd back a flat bed truck into an old army wall tent and use that as the stage. Everybody paid good money to sit in folding chairs. Everybody got liquored up drinking from pint bottles carried in their back pockets. Sitting there waiting you knew you were going to see acts of ungodly nakedness and at least two good fist fights. Well worth the time and money. That was the first time I had ever seen a woman pick up a folded five dollar bill off the "stage" without using her hands.

Seen that. It wasn't in a tent, however. It's not open to the general public.

I was there with my friends. We had heard that show would a life changing event. At that age for me it was. Rowdy, raw boned drunks, full nudity and sexual gymnastics mixed with cigarette smoke and the unmistakable smell of an oiled army tent. I knew right then being a wild eyed Southern man was just about the best thing on earth. I spend 10 years or so living the life, every chance I got. No regrets.

So, what were you doing in all those seedy places?

I was young, .....and I guess was in an adventurous mode. It was a time of rebelling against my parents too, including my religious upbringing. I was lapping up all the liberal propaganda then, and was into the feminist thing, too. Then, I met 2 prostitutes (sisters) whom I decided to try to help and get them to leave prostituting. Despite my rebellion against religion, I remember urging them to get baptized (they were not Christians)....one of them was interested (but undecided). I can't recall the details but it fizzled out.
Maybe I didn't handle it well. I wasn't really religious myself.

Tell us about it.

It was the first and the last time I'd seen it. My one and only experience of seeing something like it. Live sex show.
The guy who sponsored me to get in warned me, I can still remember his words, "It'll change you, kiddo." No, I had no relationship with this guy, I just know him. What I'd seen hit hard. What I felt was a tremendous amount of pity (I teared up as I watched), thinking what these girls must've had experienced in life for them to be able to do the things they did.

It was a night of big adventure, I tell you that! As the show went on, there was a sudden brawl. Chairs were flying. I'd never seen a brawl!
I was standing in the middle of it, rooted at the spot (the guy who sponsored me was long gone). An unidentified man grabbed me and pulled me to safety.
Then I was outside. I didn't even have the chance to thank the guy - he's gone.

Looking back in those days when I was floundering out there and having one great adventure after another - some scary - it amazes me that through it all, I was able to go unscathed. I never got hurt.

In a lot of cases, there's always someone who helped me. I nearly got date raped, too - thankfully, I was able to talk the guy out of it!

I see my life in segments. With different people in it. Different adventure. Chivalry was big in my adventures - thus I have a soft spot for men, and I hate seeing them bashed by feminists. There was almost, always a man, or men, who aided me and protected me.

When I finally found Christ, and looked back to my days - I saw and understood that I was never alone.

The night the astronauts first walked on the moon I was in an off limits village laying on a poncho liner with two Vietnamese prostitutes and a gaggle of little kids from the village. We were drinking black marketed beer, smoking and joking. I wrestled with the kids and laughed with the whores. We talked about the moon and the stars and they told me a story about how the sky was formed during a huge ancient battle of the heavens. Just me and whores and the kids. I'd made the run by myself past lookout posts, crawled through holes in the concertina wire, hooked up with a K-9 handler humping his post (I'd told him before guard mount that I'd be sneaking through) and on into the ville. It was far from my first time.

With the exception of ROK 105's pounding the face off a mountain in the dark distance it was a peaceful night. I was as far away from the war as I could be. I didn't want it to end. I think the girls and the kids had a lot of fun that night too. I hope they remember it as I do.



I have to say that during university and later in grad school I wasn't involved in much drunk and debauch. That would come again later after my starter marriage ended.

I remember a lot of women in various states of dress. For the most part I haven't found a naked or semi-naked woman any less a decent human being than a clothed woman. Being naked or clothed isn't always about sex....well, unless she's redheaded.

Those were the days. You know what, we've both had colorful lives. I'm thankful.

 

[tosca1]

We typically go around the house naked, AND we are in the BDSM lifestyle. "normal" sex happens more often in our house than your so called perversions. You're projecting your own biases again.

The hypothetical scenario isn't about going naked in the house.

Let's go back to the health and sanitation issue - reread my response to you about fluids. What do you say to that?

 

[maquiscat]

The hypothetical scenario isn't about going naked in the house.

I was showing that regular exposure to nudity does not make regular sex "passé", nor automatically lead to "perversions" becoming "common fare". Of course "perversions" are a subjective value.

Let's go back to the health and sanitation issue - reread my response to you about fluids. What do you say to that?

I and others have noted that such things would be taken into account, or should be at least. Ultimately the least needed would be a thong or equivalent, since that is what happens at beach side businesses now. I at least have also noted that such nudity acceptance could also include clothes types that while physically covering genitals, might also show them via transparent material.

 

[tosca1]

I and others have noted that such things would be taken into account, or should be at least.

Saying it's been noted isn't an answer! That's trying to side-step on the issue.
What's there to take into account? How do you deal with vaginal discharges? HIV? Herpes? Other STD?

Females are most likely to pick up infections too! Not to mention children.


If you put the extra expenses on businesses to accomodate naked females.....do you know how that can raise the prices of commodities?

Ultimately the least needed would be a thong or equivalent, since that is what happens at beach side businesses now. I at least have also noted that such nudity acceptance could also include clothes types that while physically covering genitals, might also show them via transparent material.

That isn't going all naked, isn't it? Naked as in the day you're born. Females didn't come with the skimpiest of thongs.

That shows, despite what feminists claim, women can't have the same nudity rights as men! We all know that......well, most of us.
Anyone who understands the difference between a male and a female knows that. :lol:

 

[tosca1]

I at least have also noted that such nudity acceptance could also include clothes types that while physically covering genitals, might also show them via transparent material.

If you're still supposed to wear something (even if it's transparent)...... what's the point of going nude?
I'm lost. Can you explain the rationale behind that?

 

[maquiscat]

Saying it's been noted isn't an answer! That's trying to side-step on the issue.
What's there to take into account? How do you deal with vaginal discharges? HIV? Herpes? Other STD?

Females are most likely to pick up infections too! Not to mention children.

This has been covered already, no pun intended. I don't think anyone here, save maybe you, has been putting out that people would be going nude 100% of the time. We already are health restrictions about such things, why would we expect them to change? You seem to be going for an appeal to extremes fallacy here. There are goning to be situations and places where nudity will not be allowed, both by law, most likely for health reasons, and by private business owner, for what ever reasons they want.

If you put the extra expenses on businesses to accomodate naked females.....do you know how that can raise the prices of commodities?

Maybe, maybe not, depending on what was done. Simple covers similar to what are currently being used in public restrooms for toilet seats would not be a significant expense

That isn't going all naked, isn't it? Naked as in the day you're born. Females didn't come with the skimpiest of thongs.

That shows, despite what feminists claim, women can't have the same nudity rights as men! We all know that......well, most of us.
Anyone who understands the difference between a male and a female knows that. :lol:

Why are you all up against the females? Anyway, this isn't about being naked 100% of the time, but about the acceptance of nudity. If we were to get to the position it would also, IMHO, end up with fully or partially revealing clothing thing, either directly or by transparent or translucent material. Again these arguments look to be appeal to extreme arguments.

If you're still supposed to wear something (even if it's transparent)...... what's the point of going nude?
I'm lost. Can you explain the rationale behind that?

Would someone wear a transparent raincoat, with nothing else underneath? Yeah, to keep the rain off, or maybe to cut the wind. But what would be the point of being topless underneath? To still show off, fashion statement, whatever the person decides is the point. We are postulating a scenario where full nudity is allowed, not required. Some people would go around naked, and maybe they keep a towel with them for when they sit down. Others would wear clothing that reveals certain body parts, be they arms, legs, breasts, whole chest, butt, genitals, whatever, wholly or in part. Maybe a woman is wearing a skirt like item that only goes down her back side.

Maybe you are envisioning a world where there is only fully nude people, but even if we eliminated the modesty factor, people would still wear clothes for protection and fashion. How much may be seen would expand.

 

[tosca1]

This has been covered already, no pun intended. I don't think anyone here, save maybe you, has been putting out that people would be going nude 100% of the time. We already are health restrictions about such things, why would we expect them to change? You seem to be going for an appeal to extremes fallacy here. There are goning to be situations and places where nudity will not be allowed, both by law, most likely for health reasons, and by private business owner, for what ever reasons they want.

The thread was inspired by the theory of Roguenuke that the female anatomy would be desexualized and be treated like just any other parts of the body.

My point is that, it's not going to happen. You provided the reason above why.

Public places are the main issues, too....like parks! Buses and other transportation.

It's easy to say that people will be bringing towels, etc., to protect the public.....but we know that will be a problem! We've got people having unprotected sex despite HIV and other std, we've got people having sex when they know they've got STD!

Today, even if it's only a handful of people who go naked in public, we ought to point out the public hazard!

Maybe, maybe not, depending on what was done. Simple covers similar to what are currently being used in public restrooms for toilet seats would not be a significant expense

Park benches? Bus seats? Taxi?

Why would you want to incur more expenses just to accomodate some?

WHY ARE THESE PRO-NUDITY PUSHING FOR THIS? What's the reason behind it?

Why are you all up against the females? Anyway, this isn't about being naked 100% of the time, but about the acceptance of nudity. If we were to get to the position it would also, IMHO, end up with fully or partially revealing clothing thing, either directly or by transparent or translucent material. Again these arguments look to be appeal to extreme arguments.



Would someone wear a transparent raincoat, with nothing else underneath? Yeah, to keep the rain off, or maybe to cut the wind. But what would be the point of being topless underneath? To still show off, fashion statement, whatever the person decides is the point. We are postulating a scenario where full nudity is allowed, not required. Some people would go around naked, and maybe they keep a towel with them for when they sit down. Others would wear clothing that reveals certain body parts, be they arms, legs, breasts, whole chest, butt, genitals, whatever, wholly or in part. Maybe a woman is wearing a skirt like item that only goes down her back side.

Maybe you are envisioning a world where there is only fully nude people, but even if we eliminated the modesty factor, people would still wear clothes for protection and fashion. How much may be seen would expand.

Whether it's only a few people who'd go nude.....the public hazard (vaginal discharges), is still there.